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Originally posted by s0uljah
LOL, these "scientific facts" are so vague. Besides, Mohammed read the Bible to come up with this stuff in the first place.
If u read the site a bit , you'd see that it isn't vague..
Anyway , so u think Prophet Muhammad copied his future scientific facts from the bible?
But Prophet Muhammad couldn't read , So where did he get all this knowledge from then ?
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http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/
I apologize for omitting the link.
I used an older source to avoid any anti-Islamic bias that may have crept in during the last 10-20 years. The article I posted comes from the 1911 Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica. I just cut and pasted the title, but I didn't do a very good job!
Neal
I apologize for omitting the link.
I used an older source to avoid any anti-Islamic bias that may have crept in during the last 10-20 years. The article I posted comes from the 1911 Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica. I just cut and pasted the title, but I didn't do a very good job!
Neal
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I don't know, but the basic facts have been known now for about 1600 years, so I am sure the 1911 version will have the same facts as the 2011 version will.
Were you aware there were once competing versions of the Q'uran that were destroyed?
Neal
Were you aware there were once competing versions of the Q'uran that were destroyed?
Neal
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Originally posted by Muslimah
But Prophet Muhammad couldn't read , So where did he get all this knowledge from then ?
Now, I think other people added to it as they saw fit, and different versions appeared throughout time, using the Bible for parts of it.
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Hey souljah,,
One more time.... When is a book an 'inspired' book? http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.4.html
Why is it that you only see what you want to see? Is it your mind asking questions now or is it because of ignorance??????
Some samples of Contradictions:
Matthew 27:5 (Judas hangs himself) ..... Acts 1:18 (Judas falls headlong, his bowels gush)
Acts 9:26-29 and Acts 26:19-21(Paul is saved)...... Galatians 1:15-22(Was he really?)
Acts 9:7(heard voice, saw no man)...... Acts 22:9(no voice, saw light)
Matthew 11:13-14,17:13 (Elias is John the Baptist)....... John 1:21 (Elias is not John the Baptist)
Luke 3:23-31 + Romans 1:3 ("according to the flesh" 41 men between Jesus and David)......... Matthew 1:6-16 + Romans 1:3 ("according to the flesh" 26 men between Jesus and David)
Matthew 21:12-18 (temple before passing fig tree) ...... Mark 11:12-15 (temple After passing fig tree)
Matthew 20:20-21 (The mother of the Zebedee's sons makes the request) ...... Mark 10:35-37 (The Zebedee's sons make the request themselves)
Romans 5:12 Adam alone was responsible for the "original sin." ..... Timothy 2:14 eve alone, and not Adam, was responsible for the "original sin"
Genesis 22:1: "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." ...... James 1:13: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
Matthew 8:5: The centurion came in person ....... Luke 7:3 The centurion sent elders of the Jews
And the list goes on and on, just follow the link and see http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.2.html
I'm not trying to sell you islam or any thing here you should do your soul searching on your own, but rest assured,, these are not the words spoken by Jesus Christ the son of Mary*pbut* .
PS. this page contains stories of reverts to islam from all faiths ( although mainly Christians ). They are normal typical people just like you and me and all the guys here and from all walks of life. From priests to doctors to simple people, pick random stories and find out for your self what did they find in islam that wasn't there in thier former religions, see for your self why women and young western girls are starving to cover their hair and wear modest clothes. it's not just like eg. yesterday i dreamt of Jesus .... or he spoke to my heart .... or my muslim country opressed me....... this is something else,,, this is something that puts God Almighty and his messengers each in his proper place and solves the jigsaw puzzle http://www.thetruereligion.org/converts.htm
One more time.... When is a book an 'inspired' book? http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.4.html
Why is it that you only see what you want to see? Is it your mind asking questions now or is it because of ignorance??????
Some samples of Contradictions:
Matthew 27:5 (Judas hangs himself) ..... Acts 1:18 (Judas falls headlong, his bowels gush)
Acts 9:26-29 and Acts 26:19-21(Paul is saved)...... Galatians 1:15-22(Was he really?)
Acts 9:7(heard voice, saw no man)...... Acts 22:9(no voice, saw light)
Matthew 11:13-14,17:13 (Elias is John the Baptist)....... John 1:21 (Elias is not John the Baptist)
Luke 3:23-31 + Romans 1:3 ("according to the flesh" 41 men between Jesus and David)......... Matthew 1:6-16 + Romans 1:3 ("according to the flesh" 26 men between Jesus and David)
Matthew 21:12-18 (temple before passing fig tree) ...... Mark 11:12-15 (temple After passing fig tree)
Matthew 20:20-21 (The mother of the Zebedee's sons makes the request) ...... Mark 10:35-37 (The Zebedee's sons make the request themselves)
Romans 5:12 Adam alone was responsible for the "original sin." ..... Timothy 2:14 eve alone, and not Adam, was responsible for the "original sin"
Genesis 22:1: "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." ...... James 1:13: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
Matthew 8:5: The centurion came in person ....... Luke 7:3 The centurion sent elders of the Jews
And the list goes on and on, just follow the link and see http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.2.html
I'm not trying to sell you islam or any thing here you should do your soul searching on your own, but rest assured,, these are not the words spoken by Jesus Christ the son of Mary*pbut* .
PS. this page contains stories of reverts to islam from all faiths ( although mainly Christians ). They are normal typical people just like you and me and all the guys here and from all walks of life. From priests to doctors to simple people, pick random stories and find out for your self what did they find in islam that wasn't there in thier former religions, see for your self why women and young western girls are starving to cover their hair and wear modest clothes. it's not just like eg. yesterday i dreamt of Jesus .... or he spoke to my heart .... or my muslim country opressed me....... this is something else,,, this is something that puts God Almighty and his messengers each in his proper place and solves the jigsaw puzzle http://www.thetruereligion.org/converts.htm
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There are no contradictions Zico. But on the other hand, here is a secret for you, I don't think the Bible is the innerant Word of God, as some fundamentalists love to say.
I put God above any book brother.
I put God above any book brother.
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We could put this very question to you !
First off, the link you put up, starts with a verse from Deutronomy, which is in the old testament of the Bible. For an article basically refuting the authority of the Bible, it is interesting that they chose to use a verse from the same book that they are attacking to give weight to their arguments.....
Also, the trueness of the Bible is not something, 'ignorant' lay christians believe. Here is a link by a few christian 'scholars' on why the Bible is inspired and genuine.....
CAN WE TRUST THE GOSPELS?
All the contradictions you just named can easily be answered satisfactorily when taken in the right context. Besides, the Bible is a book with writings of many different authors. There is bound to be some differences.
On the other hand, I can also point you to some alleged Quranic contradictions here...
CONTRADICTIONS IN THE QURAN
And the Quran is supposed to be the very words of GOD. Is it even possible for mere humans like us to find 'apparent' contradictions in Gods words? But I dont expect you to give up Islam on the basis of these just yet.
In the same way, dont expect a lot of Christians to change just by pushing a list of contradictions down their throats.
I know a lot of Christians are ignorant of Islam and its teachings, like I was and probably still am. But I have done my research and soul searching, and probably you need to do some too.....
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The best lie is two parts truth, one part lie. There is truth in those sites you posted Zico, but I am afraid there is the other part as well, which deceives you.
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"Christians and Muslims share many beliefs in common. Both accept only one God, the Creator and Source of all Revelation, the Merciful Judge who will punish the wicked and reward the good. With materialism gaining the upper hand and in many parts of the world, it is important that believers stress what they have in common rather than intensify mutual opposition. This means that unfounded prejudice on both sides should be removed. In February 1976, 1200 delegates from sixty countries took part in a seminar on `Islamic-Christian Dialogue'. The Christians asked the Muslims to make a deeper study of the New Testament and to drop the charge of falsification. Dialogue requires that each party accepts the authenticity of the other person's Scriptures on which his faith is based.13
Many of the great Muslim thinkers have, indeed, accepted the authenticity of the New Testament text. Listing the names of these men seems a fitting conclusion to this essay. Their testimony proves that Christian-Muslim dialogue need not for ever be stymied by the allegation introduced by Ibn-Khazem. Two great historians, Al-Mas'udi (died 956) and Ibn-Khaldun (died 1406), held the authenticity of the Gospel text. Four well-known theologians agreed with this: Ali at-Tabari (died 855), Qasim al-Khasani (died 860), 'Amr al-Ghakhiz (died 869) and, last but not least, the famous Al-Ghazzali (died 1111).14 Their view is shared by Abu Ali Husain Ibn Sina, who is known in the West as Avicenna (died 1037). Bukhari (died 870), who acquired a great name by his collection of early traditions, quoted the Qur'an itself (Sura 3:72,78) to prove that the text of the Bible was not falsified.15 Finally, Muhammad Abduh Sayyid Ahmad Khan, a religious and social reformer of modem times (died 1905), accepted the findings of modern science. He said:
As far as the text of the Bible is concerned. it has not been altered ... No attempt was made to present a diverging text as the authentic one.16
May God be praised for the witness of these honest men.
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http://answering-islam.org/Bible/Text/wijngaards.html
Many of the great Muslim thinkers have, indeed, accepted the authenticity of the New Testament text. Listing the names of these men seems a fitting conclusion to this essay. Their testimony proves that Christian-Muslim dialogue need not for ever be stymied by the allegation introduced by Ibn-Khazem. Two great historians, Al-Mas'udi (died 956) and Ibn-Khaldun (died 1406), held the authenticity of the Gospel text. Four well-known theologians agreed with this: Ali at-Tabari (died 855), Qasim al-Khasani (died 860), 'Amr al-Ghakhiz (died 869) and, last but not least, the famous Al-Ghazzali (died 1111).14 Their view is shared by Abu Ali Husain Ibn Sina, who is known in the West as Avicenna (died 1037). Bukhari (died 870), who acquired a great name by his collection of early traditions, quoted the Qur'an itself (Sura 3:72,78) to prove that the text of the Bible was not falsified.15 Finally, Muhammad Abduh Sayyid Ahmad Khan, a religious and social reformer of modem times (died 1905), accepted the findings of modern science. He said:
As far as the text of the Bible is concerned. it has not been altered ... No attempt was made to present a diverging text as the authentic one.16
May God be praised for the witness of these honest men.
"
http://answering-islam.org/Bible/Text/wijngaards.html
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The Moslem religion has displayed itself to be very, very wicked. How utterly disgusting.....the suicide bombers, the payment to the families, the matyrdom of them. And what does the Moslem religious clergy do or say? Nothing but subtle encouragement of such offensive activity.
On the other hand, christendom is also very, very wicked. How it tolerated its people to exploit others around the world is sickening. The clergy of christendom is blood guilty for millions of lives that have been slaughtered.
True Christianity, though, based upon such teachings as that as found at Matthew 5:43,44: "YOU heard that it was said, 'You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU;"..........is what is righteous.
On the other hand, christendom is also very, very wicked. How it tolerated its people to exploit others around the world is sickening. The clergy of christendom is blood guilty for millions of lives that have been slaughtered.
True Christianity, though, based upon such teachings as that as found at Matthew 5:43,44: "YOU heard that it was said, 'You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU;"..........is what is righteous.
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Souljah,
Where in the Gospels does it say that Jesus said he was God?
I've puzzled over this question for many years, and have never found a passage that supports that he said he was God. Nor, in all my years of parochial school education or later Bible Study have I heard it.
Thanks,
Patty
Where in the Gospels does it say that Jesus said he was God?
I've puzzled over this question for many years, and have never found a passage that supports that he said he was God. Nor, in all my years of parochial school education or later Bible Study have I heard it.
Thanks,
Patty
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Lared:
If we follow that train of thought one step further then we come to the Idea that true Islam is also based on teachings that encourage loving one's fellow man, respecting the rights of others, being honest and trustworthy, etc. etc.
Mainstream, grass roots, Islam is not much different from mainstream, grassroots Christianity, or mainstream grassroots Judeism in what it considers to be proper conduct and behaviour. This is not surprising since all three worship the God of "our Father Abraham".
As you have pointed out there have been violent extremeists in Islam in both individuals or Governmet just as there have been violent extremeists in Christianity in both individuals and Government. Christians have asked not to be judged by the actions of those extremeists and so should you not judge the Moslems by the actions of a few Extremeists.
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If we follow that train of thought one step further then we come to the Idea that true Islam is also based on teachings that encourage loving one's fellow man, respecting the rights of others, being honest and trustworthy, etc. etc.
Mainstream, grass roots, Islam is not much different from mainstream, grassroots Christianity, or mainstream grassroots Judeism in what it considers to be proper conduct and behaviour. This is not surprising since all three worship the God of "our Father Abraham".
As you have pointed out there have been violent extremeists in Islam in both individuals or Governmet just as there have been violent extremeists in Christianity in both individuals and Government. Christians have asked not to be judged by the actions of those extremeists and so should you not judge the Moslems by the actions of a few Extremeists.
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