Can someone be saved and deny Jesus being God

LOL! What a crazy statement! Where's the proof?

Originally posted by Didaskomenos
Besides, the knowledge that the Bible says something doesn't make one saved. And not knowing something the Bible says isn't going to send you to hell. The Bible at no point says that we have to think of Jesus as the second person in the Trinity to be saved. It just says we have to make him our Lord.

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Very well said, Didask.... keep up the good postin!   

 

GySgt James,

You're not reading what I'm writing. If you did, you'd see that I said we must acknowledge him King of Kings and Lord of Lords, because the Bible says so. But what if someone read through the Bible for the first time, and didn't realize that Jesus was God (since it doesn't say so in so many words). They follow the Bible's instructions (to confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord, and to believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead), then some stray bomb gets dropped on them - do they go to heaven? You're saying you must know that Jesus is God to make him your Lord - no you don't! There are plenty of people (Franklin included) who are living proof. Is he not saved?

BTW, the Bereans' Scripture was the Old Testament, which says in no uncertain terms that there is one God, and never mentions Jesus as God. I happen to believe that Jesus is God, but it's possible to not know everything (as the Fundamentalists do) and still be saved, if you follow the Bible's instructions.

Oh yeah, that's Hezekiah 4:23, right?

Sorry, but I've heard KJV-onlyists say the same thing.  It's their only hope for vindication.

"And LouisBooth is his prophet, and the infallible sage who reads between the lines to tell us what he calls obvious."

Hands Didask back the words he put in my mouth. NO thanks, I"m not buying

If you don't know who God is you can't be saved by him or be in a relationship with him. Thus you can't be saved if you don't think Jesus is God.

" But what if someone read through the Bible for the first time, and didn't realize that Jesus was God "

Its pretty easy to recognize. if they don't they won't understand anything else either.

the first chapter of John spells it out quite clearly. If you dont' know who God is, you can't get saved, that's pretty simple to understand isn't it?

And thus we continue in circular direction!



Lemme off this merry-go-round! It ain't so merry anymore.

LOL..you can get off anytime, but is pretty much a straight line leading right to Christ's diety and that you can't get saved without knowing God.

Dude, I got off there a long time ago. I was just trying to commiserate with my Christian brothers who disagree with me.

Nobody will get into Heaven except through God(Jesus)...some people just don't know it yet.

The gospel is spelled out clearly in the Bible. 1 Cor 15:1-7 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
2. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5. and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve.
6. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.
7. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,

If having only the OT you could be saved the same way the Ethiopian eunich (sp) was when he was told by Phillip that Isaiah 53 was talking about Jesus. The resurrection of our Lord is necessary to believe to be saved. The resurrection proves Christ's deity. A young child may not understand all the technical aspects of the gospel and the deity of the Lord completely the second they are saved but, if they do Romans 10:9-10 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

My son did this at 4 years old, I am not sure that he understood all the technicalities of it but he was saved then, and can tell you about it still today at 13.

Justification is not by faith, but by works. But faith is very important to give you the strength needed to follow Jesus commandments:

What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?

15 And if a brother or sister be naked and want daily food:

16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit?

17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.

18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works. Shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.

19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.

24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?

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Originally posted by s0uljah
Nobody will get into Heaven except through God(Jesus)...some people just don't know it yet.

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Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

souljah,  what does Jesus say about His relationship with the father is in these passages?  What is your relationship between you and your father?  Are you his son?  Is he your father?  Are you the same person as your father? 

Christ is God. The bible declares it so.
"Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. "

is this the verse you are refering to? If so check verse 30. We are to believe in Christ. This is something expressly forbidden if you are not God. According to OT law, you believe in no one but God alone.

Originally posted by franklin


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

souljah,  what does Jesus say about His relationship with the father is in these passages?  What is your relationship between you and your father?  Are you his son?  Is he your father?  Are you the same person as your father? 

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Franklin-

Did you ever read my long list of scripture supporting the fact that Jesus = God?

Besides, comparing a human relationship to a divine one doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by s0uljah
Did you ever read my long list of scripture supporting the fact that Jesus = God?

John 6:68-69 - Peter confesses that Jesus is the Son of God who has the words of eternal life.

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Yes souljah, I did read that list and I wouldn't call your list, scripture, it was "parts of scripture" mixed with mans words and none of what you quoted supports anything saying He is God..... this is one of your quotes from that post, now please allow me to put it into it's proper biblial context and allow the scripture to be it's own interpreter! Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.  And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.  (John 6:68-69) 
 
Now, souljah, who does Peter say Jesus is in this passage?  You said it in your quote BTW..... None of Jesus' apostles ever referred to Him as God!  Yes, in some passages He is revered as God but He (Jesus) is not or does He ever make Himself a co-equal, equal with the Father.  Some bible teacher and pastor told you that, the bible did not! 

Besides, comparing a human relationship to a divine one doesn't make much sense. [/B]

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Read the Prodical son, is that an example of a human relationship between a father and his son?  Yes it's a parable but that doesn't mean it wasn't an actual true story either as some would refute. 

"Now, souljah, who does Peter say Jesus is in this passage? "

He says that Christ is God by saying he has all the authority that God has. The title son of God is not ment to be an inferior/superior title. See Pslams 2 and jewish first born practices.