Messiah to be the saviour of the world- not just jews?

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

is this one of the scriptures?

Isaiah 49:4-8
Then I said, I have labored in vain; I have spent My strength for nothing, and in vain; yet surely My judgment is with the LORD, and My work with My God.
And now, says the LORD who formed Me from the womb to be His servant, to bring Jacob again to Him, Though Israel is not gathered, yet I shall be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and My God shall be My strength.
And He said, It is but a little thing that You should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to bring back the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You for a light to the nations, to be My salvation to the end of the earth.
So says the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, His Holy One, to Him whom man despises, to Him whom the nation hates, the servant of rulers: Kings shall see and arise, rulers also shall worship, because of the LORD who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, and He shall choose You.
So says the LORD, in a favorable time I replied to You, and in a day of salvation I have helped You; and I will preserve You, and give You for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause them to inherit the wasted inheritances;

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This might be what you’re looking for. There are many, many more scriptures about this.

Exodus 12:19
For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born.

Exodus 12:49
The same law applies to the native-born and to the alien living among you."

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.

*** Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Exodus 23:9
"Do not oppress an alien; you yourselves know how it feels to be aliens, because you were aliens in Egypt.

Exodus 23:12
"Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest and the slave born in your household, and the alien as well, may be refreshed.

Yom Kippur Leviticus 16:29
"This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or an alien living among you-

Leviticus 17:8
"Say to them: 'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice

Acts Leviticus 17:10
" 'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood—I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

Leviticus 17:12
Therefore I say to the Israelites, "None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood."

Leviticus 17:13
" 'Any Israelite or any alien living among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,

Leviticus 17:15
" 'Anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Leviticus 18:26
But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things,

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33
" 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him.

*** Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Psalm 146:9
The LORD watches over the alien and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked.

Ezekiel 47:22
You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.

Ezekiel 47:23
In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.

Zechariah 7:10
Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor. In your hearts do not think evil of each other.'

Malachi 3:5
"So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.

Isaiah 14:1
The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.

Isaiah 42:6
****"I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles,

****Isaiah 49:6
he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."

Isaiah 49:22
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I will beckon to the Gentiles, I will lift up my banner to the peoples; they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their shoulders.

Shalom

type & shadow.
Look at the gentile wives Moses brought in (He was a "bloody husband" to her), or Joseph....

Joseph's name was changed to Zaphnath-Paaneah by the Egyptians (Gentiles).... one rendering of that name's meaning is 'Salvation of the World'.
Joseph is a STRONG type of Christ in His First and Second ministries.

Consider that these feasts are God's not man's and ultimately will be for the purpose of celebraing each return to Himself of the peoples of each of the 7 covenants He has made.

firestar said:

Hello

I am reading a very interesting book right now called "Walking Towards Elijah" By Rabbi Dow Marmur. He was a Reform Jew and taught at a synagogue here in Toronto, and the book is about the different feasts and their relevance to Jews. From a Christian standpoint I am finding the book fascinating! Anyways, I am reading the chapter on Sukkot, and he is saying that out of all the feasts, it is the only one that is universalist in nature. That it is not just for Jews to celebrate, but for the world because the Messiah will not just be King of the Jews, but the salvation of the world. Anyways, he lists Zechariah as a scriptural support (that the all the nations will one day celebrate it), but I was wondering what other scriptures back that up - I can't seem to find them anymore (although I read them at one time) of the Messiah being for the benefit of the gentiles too?? I'm trying to find OT references to this.

As an aside, I'm conversing with a very hurt pagan, and part of his deconversion from Chrisitianity, was the blatant racism that he felt was inherent in the scriptures against the gentiles. I am trying to show him that Christ the Messiah was pre-ordained from the OT to be a light unto the world and salvation for all- not just Jews, but gentiles also. He is incredibly hurt and disillusioned and feels that God was only looking out for the chosen people and that the rest are garbage in His sight.... which is so very sad.

Anyways, any assistance would be appreciated.

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I would say that the fact that soooooooo many Christians have been birthed from this Jewish Messiah, will tell you what the will of God is...
to save the world.....

IMO he chose the Jews to bring forth the Messiah from old because he knew they would eventually be there, even if it was a small remnant , they would be there, committed to their call, and not tainted by the world, a vessel in which to birth this Precious and Mighty King!....

IMO Abba had called all of mankind to Him and only a small number continued in His ways ......But that was ok because at the right time ABBA sent Yeshua to save the whole world ,and give us all that same access to God ,to walk in His ways as well, and we wont shrink back to the ways of the world ,as we have the Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) to empower us to be that Faithful Obedient Light that Yeshua wants us to be.......

As far as your friend, I think if he reads the Bible enough he will begin to see that God is no respector of persons but he IS a respector of Himself and will not share his throne with an Idol and THAT is what you see the Father judging in the Word....not people based on Nationality, but Idol Worship and those involved with it.

He wants a people set apart for Him alone, and those even today that chase after Idols or Idolatry will not see God.....It's totally NOT a Jewish thing, honest the Jews were even Judged harsher than the Gentiles, because He set them apart to be a light and often even they would play the harlet (that means they went chasing after Idols and Idolatry)...Abba is a rejecter of Idol Worship Not against His creation, His people who are created in His love...

"For God sooooooo LOVED the World..."

I stand behind you in prayer I know that each of us is going to face an undescribable force as these last days approach and each of us will be tempted to deny our Savior, I will pray you can snatch this one back

firestar said:

Hi Tishri,

I couldn't agree more. The problem is that some people (IMHO) harden their hearts to God's word because it does not agree with them- so they find reasons why it can't be true, or doesn't apply to them. This individual had been a Christian years ago, but started really struggling with his faith. Add to that he got mixed up in some pretty dangerous spiritual practices and being deceived that it was a "mission from God" and then when these demons started to attack him he cried out to God and got no answer. Anyways, to make a long story short, his "last straw" so to speak, was reading the story in Matthew, where the woman whose daughter is demon possessed calls to Jesus for help and He replies about not giving dogs children's food. His whole thing is that for God to call gentiles dogs, that's what He thinks of them. That salvation was for the chosen people and then we gentiles got the crumbs. I'm trying to show him exactly what you've pointed out, about the invitation for an intimate relationship being open to EVERYONE, but that initially in the bible you can see how so many people went astray and the seed of Abraham was reserved etc... basically what you've said. I dont' know if my words will make a difference, but I'm praying that the Holy Spirit would give me the words that will matter to this man and show him God's overwhelming love for him .

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What about Luke.2:10 1Jn.2:2 and Rev.7:9-17?!

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