End Times - Should We Worry?
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Concerning the fig tree idea I would say it's already too late. It talks about agenerationseeingthis which would takea person tobe aboutwhat-10yearsold. Then Ibelieveyou wouldsay the great tribulationisseven yearslong and ithasn't started yet. 54 plus10 plus7 =71 yearsalready.
Luke agrees because he just says fig or all trees.
From your post:
Can you show from historical sources how 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and each verse of
Revelation 13 and Revelation 11 and Revelation 16 were all fulfilled?
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I've seen this argument used a lot and No,I have never seen any reports about the coming of the Kingdom of God nor will there ever be any. If you ever hear anybody saying it is here or there He is, don't believe it. No one ever talks about the coming of the son of man.Luke17,Matthew24,Mark13,Luke 21.
Justme
Concerning the fig tree idea I would say it's already too late. It talks about agenerationseeingthis which would takea person tobe aboutwhat-10yearsold. Then Ibelieveyou wouldsay the great tribulationisseven yearslong and ithasn't started yet. 54 plus10 plus7 =71 yearsalready.
Luke agrees because he just says fig or all trees.
From your post:
Can you show from historical sources how 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and each verse of
Revelation 13 and Revelation 11 and Revelation 16 were all fulfilled?
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I've seen this argument used a lot and No,I have never seen any reports about the coming of the Kingdom of God nor will there ever be any. If you ever hear anybody saying it is here or there He is, don't believe it. No one ever talks about the coming of the son of man.Luke17,Matthew24,Mark13,Luke 21.
Justme
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You shouldn't set dates to the 'end times'. It's not healthy and not good for yourself. God already said "No man knoweth the hour." so why bother predicting? It could be in the next 10 seconds for all we know. Jesus said: "I come like a theif in the night."
There's no need to worry
. Just have fun and enjoy life! Keep your eyes on Jesus .
(forgive my verses without verse thingies. I only remember the verses, not the numbers or book. Gah, another downfall for me.)
There's no need to worry
. Just have fun and enjoy life! Keep your eyes on Jesus .(forgive my verses without verse thingies. I only remember the verses, not the numbers or book. Gah, another downfall for me.)
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Note that we can see the rebudded fig tree (Israel) now. The parable doesn't require that the rebudding of the fig tree be seen by 10 year olds the same year it happened, only that the generation that began at the rebudding of the fig tree will not "pass" until they see the tribulation and 2nd coming (Matthew 24:32-34).
Since the 2nd World War there has been a tremendous proliferation in the number of nations established as independent entities.
Why not?
Which verses in these chapters say no one will ever talk about it?
"It shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation" (Isaiah 25:9).
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matthew 24:36-37).
I believe that in Matthew 24:36-37 Jesus is referring to the same "coming of the Son of man" as when he said "immediately after the tribulation of those days... they shall see the Son of man coming" (Matthew 24:29-30). I don't believe that Jesus taught a 3rd coming. Jesus is speaking to the same people in Matthew 24:15 that he is speaking to in Matthew 24:42.
Note that Jesus didn't say "no one will know the day" (future tense) but "no one knows the day" (present tense in translation, perfect tense in Greek).
Note the exact correlation of the phrase and tense of "knoweth no man" in Matthew 24:36 and 1 Corinthians 2:11-12: "Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God." See also: "When he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth... and he will shew you things to come" (John 16:13).
Jesus said his coming would be "as the days of Noah were" (Matthew 24:36-37). God told Noah when the flood would come before it came: "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (Genesis 7:4). He told him because: "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7).
Before the 2nd coming, I believe those of us alive and still faithful at the abomination of desolation will know that we'll have to wait 1,335 days until Jesus comes: "From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" (Daniel 12:11-12).
Based on what scripture?
Note the "if" in the following verse: "IF therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Revelation 3:3). Paul confirms that if we watch for that day it will not overtake us as a thief: "Yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night... But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief... let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch" (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 4, 6).
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Hi posrib,
Here's a thread at CARM where I argue some points relative to this conversation.
http://www.carmforums.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=311&forum=DCForumID5
I don't know how to do that right. Anyhow it is titled "what are the signs of the destruction"
under Bible Prophesy on CARM forum
Justme
Here's a thread at CARM where I argue some points relative to this conversation.
http://www.carmforums.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=311&forum=DCForumID5
I don't know how to do that right. Anyhow it is titled "what are the signs of the destruction"
under Bible Prophesy on CARM forum
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I would like to add Jesus commentary on the end of times. Look in Matthew 24:29-35.
Note that this generation could refer to the age that sees the events given before. These events could be symbolized by the fig tree.
The key emphasis is that after the tribulation shall the signs be given of natural manifestation and then the son will come.
This looks very much like that condensed vesion of Revelation. The following verses tell us that these would be when we would know that the end was near still that actual day will still be a mystery
Note that this generation could refer to the age that sees the events given before. These events could be symbolized by the fig tree.
The key emphasis is that after the tribulation shall the signs be given of natural manifestation and then the son will come.
This looks very much like that condensed vesion of Revelation. The following verses tell us that these would be when we would know that the end was near still that actual day will still be a mystery
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*shrugs* Im not afraid of death, I know where im going, straight UP^ . So why would I fear the Second Coming? I await it! I pray for it!
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If I were you, I would listen less and less to folks who tell you when the "end" COULD be... it has been attempted too many times with failure...
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This is when the end will be :
Luke 21
"And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken
Luke 21
"And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken
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at least you didn't try to put a date or timetable(like in my lifetime) on it...that's better than misleading with guesses that you can work scripture into fitting...
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But that's the problem , we don't know if it will or won't be in our lifetime , it's more likely it will be .
If you consider Postribs point of view and couple that with the knowlege we have today of melting icecaps / ozone depletion , then it's quite possible it may be sooner rather than later .
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The ozone depletion? I just read that the ozone hole closed about half way...it looks like you'll have to find another reason for the end of the world.
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Hey Frank , check this out :
http://www.worldtrans.org/whole/warning.html
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Brian45...this is just the kind of backwards interpretation I'm talking about...you take what's happening now and read it back into the Bible somehow...every generation has natural disasters, wars, famine's etc. that could fit (if one is willing) "end times" scenario's...(if it weren't for those time texts I would add)...that's one thing I have changed since moving form a dispensationalist...I used to do it all the time...
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What does this have to do with prophecy? The irony is that this "warning to humanity" has a date of 18 November 1992 on it. It has been ten years since then and our environment is actually cleaner and better. What part of Ecclesiastes 1:4 don't you understand?
"Generations come, generations go, but the earth will remain forever"
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Oh yes, listen to a site that promotes abortion.........now thats a credible source.
" We must ... guarantee women control over their own reproductive decisions. "
Tallyn
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Then take your pick ,
http://www.7metasearch.com/scripts/search/7metasearch/results.asp?q=warning+humanity&submit1=Search
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I do understand Ecclesiastes 1:4 :
Ecclesiastes 1
<SUP>4</SUP>One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.
Yes , the earth will abide forever , but only because this is going to happen :
Matthew 24
<SUP>21</SUP>For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.<SUP> 22</SUP>And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
We must thank God that Jesus Christ is going to return to this earth and put a end to mans madness before mans madness puts an end to man .
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