9/11 was an inside job, so was 7/7

Alarum · Sep 18, 2006

quantumspirit said:
I watched the controlled demolitions video at google. If building 7 collapsed because of debris, then it should have collapsed southward instead of straightdown.

It did:
http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7pile.jpg

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7pile.jpg
Eerily, the north face is on the debris pile as if a shroud were laid gently over the dead building. It fell over after the majority of the building fell. This indicates the south side of the building fell before the north. It's almost as if the buildings last words were "[This] did it!..".

It collapsed south-side first.

An op-ed from my local newspaper gave a really good, credible conspiracy theory, first time I have seen a conspiracy theory published. It stated that FEMA, through its authority to declare national emergency, could be used to declare a perpetual emergency, then suspend the constitution and democracy, thus martial law, and the free world is no more.

But they didn't, and they haven't. I mean you can hardly declare 9/11/01 an emergancy on 9/18/06, can you?

k · Sep 18, 2006

WayWord said:
Point #2: Several people, including firemen, reporters, and civillians heard explosions going off in the towers after the planes had already crashed. Newscasts from different stations recorded their statements.

Just to add some info some may not be aware of....the State of New York withheld testimony from Civil Servants regarding the explosions for over FOUR years. It was only after repeated FOIA lawsuits it was forced to give them up.

k · Sep 18, 2006

Alarum said:
But they didn't, and they haven't. I mean you can hardly declare 9/11/01 an emergancy on 9/18/06, can you?

With Bush being able to openly admit the US is running Secret Prisons with no consequence (in fact his supporters are cheering it on) do you really put any action by this admin in doubt?

Rik · Sep 18, 2006

Neverstop said:
With Bush being able to openly admit the US is running Secret Prisons with no consequence (in fact his supporters are cheering it on) do you really put any action by this admin in doubt?

Do you honestly believe that secret prisons never existed before GWB took office?

Oh wait, of course you do...

k · Sep 18, 2006

Rik said:
Do you honestly believe that secret prisons never existed before GWB took office?

Oh wait, of course you do...

Why are you trying to tell me what I do or do not believe? I find it absolutely amazing and a compliment that those who are threatened by me the most are also the same ones who give me so much personal attention.

Maybe it would help to read my post again because the point is the fact that Bush can stand before the world and proudly proclaim we are running secret prisons.

Daniel19 · Sep 18, 2006

Did anyone else catch this?

Look at what Bush said in his recent press conference...

"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."

Full text

Loukuss · Sep 18, 2006

Rik said:
Do you honestly believe that secret prisons never existed before GWB took office?

Oh wait, of course you do...

That has nothing to do with what he said. I've yet to see you contribute to a thread in a productive manner. You like to follow around a select few and throw jabs at them and then run away.

Rik · Sep 18, 2006

LucasGoltz said:
That has nothing to do with what he said. I've yet to see you contribute to a thread in a productive manner. You like to follow around a select few and throw jabs at them and then run away.

Well, you guys make it so easy...

WayWord · Sep 18, 2006

Alarum, a modern steel skyscraper has never collapsed due to fire (even raging infernos) in history. September 11, 2001 is the only time this has ever happened (supposedly).

As to your response to point #2, it is only the spin generated to support the official explanation of 9/11 that encouraged the public to forget, ignore, or discount the reports of explosions by eyewitnesses. The 9/11 truth movement marched and demonstrated in New York during the fifth anniversary commemoration. There were at least 2000 of them at the street at any one time. Alex Jones and others were amazed that 65-70 percent of the police and 99.9 percent of the firemen in New York now supported them. Major Mike McCormack, an employee of Homeland Security and one of the heroes of 9/11 who helped dig people out of the rubble, now believes that 9/11 was an inside job.

Major Mike McCormack is a hospital technician and civil air patrol pilot who worked the ground zero site for eight days after the collapse of the twin towers. He is one of the real heroes of 9/11 and was the man who found the American flag that was later displayed as a token of unity atop the rubble.
Within hours McCormack was coughing up black mucus and within days he was coughing up blood as the toxic dust that was deliberately covered up by the EPA poisoned his lungs along with all the other rescue workers, police and firemen who were being used in photo ops by Bush and his cronies while their very livelihoods were being endangered by a government cover-up.
McCormack now suffers from an extreme respiratory sensitivity, has a 5-millimeter metal nodule in one lung and has been forced to give up his passion of scuba diving.
McCormack is part of an organization lobbying Congress to demand a response from the federal government to the toxic dust cover-up and just compensation for the heroes of 9/11 who were deserted by their own government while the Bush administration had the audacity to use the attacks to fulfil a pre-determined political agenda by exploiting the unity created by the events of that day.
McCormack now describes himself as "permanently ill" as a result of the "death sentence" that was imposed on him via the toxic dust cover-up and sees it as only a matter of time before he "takes the dirt nap," just as some of his friends who worked with him at ground zero have already done.
McCormack currently occupies a high position of employment in security with the federal government which at the moment he prefers not to divulge. He has many friends who were affected by the ground zero toxic dust, including New York City police and state troopers.

from http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/toxic_dust_whistleblower_raided_by_swat_team.htm

Regarding Point #3, please watch the film Press for Truth.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...or+truth&hl=en

This film follows the families of the victims of 9/11 and their investigation into the event that so horribly transformed their lives. It documents how the grieving wives, fathers, and other family members had to force the government to investigate 9/11. Furthermore, they relate that 70% of their questions were not answered and accuse the 9/11 Commission of being a whitewash. Paul Thompson's 9/11 timeline is also featured which records the numerous warnings of the attacks received by the U.S. government and reported by the mainstream media.

The DVD will be released on September 26th.

See http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=826262002893&itm=1#pDetails

Paul Thompson's Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

jamesrwright3 · Sep 18, 2006

Sorry to say but Alarum has provided more than evidence LOGICAL and FACTUAL evidence in this thread to blow away any conspiracy theory. Just because such and such a percentage of the people feel one way is irrelevant. It doesn't give that version any credulity. Alex Jones is a nutball on the par with Coast to Coast Am
Interesting to listen to but not much, if any, substance

WayWord · Sep 18, 2006

jamesrwright3 said:
Sorry to say but Alarum has provided more than evidence LOGICAL and FACTUAL evidence in this thread to blow away any conspiracy theory. Just because such and such a percentage of the people feel one way is irrelevant. It doesn't give that version any credulity. Alex Jones is a nutball on the par with Coast to Coast Am
Interesting to listen to but not much, if any, substance

Why don't you just watch Press for Truth? It won't hurt you.

StMatthew2429 · Sep 18, 2006

Its sad when people see a still shot of something, then have another explain what is happening, then agree with what they say because it fits into a square box.

The photos above show nothing whatsoever of building 7's collapse.
"This indicates the south side of the building fell before the north. It's almost as if the buildings last words were "[This] did it!.."."

wishful thinking everybody

building 7 fell just like the others. it didnt fall to the left or right....it collapsed straight down. In fact watching the video...it fallsinward.

check this site...
http://www.wtc7.net/

WayWord · Sep 18, 2006

StMatthew2429 said:
building 7 fell just like the others. it didnt fall to the left or right....it collapsed straight down. In fact watching the video...it fallsinward.

Absolutely true. To claim otherwise is to deny reality.

Here's a definition of denial from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.

Main Entry: de·ni·al

Pronunciation: di-'nI(-&)l, dE-
Function: noun
1 : refusal to satisfy a request or desire
2 a (1) : refusal to admit the truth or reality (as of a statement or charge) (2) : assertion that an allegation is false b : refusal to acknowledge a person or a thing : [SIZE=-1]DISAVOWAL[/SIZE]
3 : the opposing by the defendant of an allegation of the opposite party in a lawsuit
4 : [SIZE=-1]SELF-DENIAL[/SIZE]
5 : negation in logic
6 : a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality
- in denial : refusing to admit the truth or reality of something unpleasant <a patient in denial about his health problems>

Rik · Sep 18, 2006

WayWord said:
Here's a definition of denial from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.

Main Entry: de·ni·al
Pronunciation: di-'nI(-&)l, dE-
Function: noun
1 : refusal to satisfy a request or desire
2 a (1) : refusal to admit the truth or reality (as of a statement or charge) (2) : assertion that an allegation is false b : refusal to acknowledge a person or a thing : [SIZE=-1]DISAVOWAL[/SIZE]
3 : the opposing by the defendant of an allegation of the opposite party in a lawsuit
4 : [SIZE=-1]SELF-DENIAL[/SIZE]
5 : negation in logic
6 : a psychological defense mechanism in which confrontation with a personal problem or with reality is avoided by denying the existence of the problem or reality
- in denial : refusing to admit the truth or reality of something unpleasant <a patient in denial about his health problems>

Does anyone else see the irony here?

StMatthew2429 · Sep 18, 2006

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Building 7 collapsed in a nearly perfectly vertical motion at near the rate of free-fall. The first sign of the collapse is the falling of the penthouse, immediately followed by the falling of the whole facade, as seen from either the north and south. The middle of the building's north wall fell slightly faster than its edges. [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] These two video frames appear in Chapter 5 of FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study . Note that most of the white smoke above the building is from the burning debris of the collapsed towers. [/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]The straight-down fall of the building's top can be clearly seen in photographs and videos. In the pair of images above, note that the position of Building 7's right wall remains in almost exactly the same horizontal position despite having fallen over 100 feet

[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Dust engulfed the building when the roof had fallen to within about 15 stories of street level.

The nature of the collapse past that point can be inferred by the shape of the rubble pile and the fact that it was covered by the remains of the exterior walls. This means that, not only did the building continue to fall vertically until the end, the outer walls were pulled inward so that they fell on top of the rubble pile. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]In short, Building 7 imploded. Buildings are not designed to implode. They are designed to remain standing. To achieve a precisely vertical collapse, in which the remains of the building fall inward, is the objective of controlled demolition. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]
http://www.wtc7.net/verticalcollapse.html
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StMatthew2429 · Sep 18, 2006

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1] Videos Show Building 7's Vertical Collapse.

The survival of several video recordings of Building 7's collapse, though of low resolution, allow study of the building's motion and the time of collapse.
Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance.

[/SIZE][/FONT] video broadcast by CBS - 1.4MB - mpeg
[SIZE=-0] This 36 second video shows Building 7 from an elevated vantage point to the distant northeast. [/SIZE]

video from an NBC news camera - 1.5MB - mpeg
[SIZE=-0] This 9 second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point about mile to the northeast on West Broadway. [/SIZE]

video broadcast on CBS - 1.7MB - mpeg
[SIZE=-0] This 9.6 second video shows the Building 7 collapse from a vantage point only about 1000 feet to the north. [/SIZE]

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

StMatthew2429 · Sep 18, 2006

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Building 7's Rubble Pile [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Less than seven seconds after Building 7 began to implode, all that was left of the steel skyscraper was a rubble pile. The rubble pile is notable for several features:

* its location - It was centered around the vertical axis of the former building.
* its size - The pile from the 47-story building was less than two stories high.
* its tidiness - The pile was almost entirely within the footprint of the former building
[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]What does the shape of the rubble pile indicate about the events leading to the collapse of building 7? [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Consider the rubble piles produced by other collapses. The only examples of total collapses of steel frame highrises (excepting WTC 1, 2, and 7) involved either severe earthquakes or controlled demolition.
Total collapses due to earthquakes are extremely rare. The rubble piles of the few documented cases had none of the above features. [SIZE=-1] 1 [/SIZE]
Total collapses due to controlled demolition generally have all of the above features. In fact, to achieve such a small, consolidated rubble pile is one of the main objectives of a controlled demolition.
[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=ariel,sans-serif][SIZE=+1]http://www.wtc7.net/rubblepile.html
[/SIZE][/FONT]

StMatthew2429 · Sep 18, 2006

Other Building Collapses

Only Demolition and Earthquakes Have Leveled High-Rises

That people would readily embrace the official story that plane impacts and/or fires caused the total collapse of three skyscrapers on September 11th could be predicted from the currency of the concept of building collapse, supported by the periodic reports of thousands dying from collapsing buildings in severe earthquakes. Lost are distinctions between building types, between building standards, and between degrees of collapse.

Nearly all the buildings that claim earthquake victims are heavy masonry low-rise structures, not steel-framed high-rise structures.
Collapses of buildings of any type of construction are rare in the developed world, whose building standards anticipate severe stresses.
Nearly all building collapses not involving controlled demolition are partial rather than total.

Excepting the 9/11/01 anomaly, the only documented cases of high-rise buildings undergoing complete collapse involved either controlled demolition or severe earthquakes. Of those, only controlled demolitions have caused such buildings to fall vertically into their footprints, leaving relatively small rubble piles, as was the case with WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In fact there are numerous observed characteristics of the destruction of the Twin Towers that have not been observed in natural collapse events.

Defenders of the official explanation that the jetliner crashes and fires induced the total destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 have been unable to cite even a single example of the total collapse of a skyscraper from any cause other than controlled demolition. Consequently they have cited collapse incidents that do not even remotely resemble the cases of the World Trade Center skyscrapers.

REST HERE....http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/collapses.html

WayWord · Sep 18, 2006

jamesrwright3 said:
My time is too valuable
I am not going to waste my time watching a bunch of lies and distortions

2+2=5?

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. (see George Orwell's novel, 1984, if you do not understand the reference.)

ews · Sep 18, 2006

There is proof that it was terrorist that did the deed on 9/11. Having said that I would like to know just how these buildings came down like they did. I didn’t go through all the post in this 20 page thread so if someone did post an answer to the above question please give me the number of that post. THX!

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