Question for Jews about the Jewish Canon and the Scrolls found near QURAM

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I got 2 questions that I hope a Jew brother/sisters might be able to highlight me ( i really would like to hear this answers from a Jew and not other faith).


1- Do you know if there was a criteria to follow in the Jewish Canon (around 100AC) to discern which books were inspired by GOD and should be part of the Tannak(OT)? ...Do you know of some genuine resources that i can check?


2- Since finding the Dead sea scrolls (copy of the bible scrolls written in hebrew dated from well BC) in the caves near the QURAM area in 1949, how has this changed you beliefs?




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Hi SecretOfFatima!

SecretOfFatima said:
1- Do you know if there was a criteria to follow in the Jewish Canon (around 100AC) to discern which books were inspired by GOD and should be part of the Tannak(OT)? ...Do you know of some genuine resources that i can check?

Well, our view of the whole process by which the Tanakh was canonized is much more fluid than the view of some Christians who seem to hold that there was a single session of the Sanhedrin at Yavneh saying, "Hey, here it is! We're done!" See The Jewish Encyclopedia articles entitled "Bible Canon" (http://tinyurl.com/4q8o9) and "Apocrypha" (http://tinyurl.com/4vo93).

Our Sages excluded the so-called Apocryphal books from the Tanakh (what we call what you call the "Old Testament") for several reasons. Ferinstance, I Maccabees, while considered to be very historically accurate & written by a believing Jew, was not considered to be Divinely inspired. The Prayer of Manasseh, while quite moving & a spiritual gem, was considered to be inauthentic (i.e., not by King Manasseh) as well as uninspired. Other books were considered to contain/be full of/ nonsense (i.e. ideas that didn't jibe with the Torah), as well as to be inauthentic and/or uninspired.

SecretOfFatima said:
2- Since finding the Dead sea scrolls (copy of the bible scrolls written in hebrew dated from well BC) in the caves near the QURAM area in 1949, how has this changed you beliefs?

Qumran is now a National Park (http://www.parks.org.il/ParksENG/company_card.php3?NewNameMade=46&from=116&CNumber=854515).

I refer to the Dead Sea Scrolls as the "Heretics' Scrolls" since, from the standpoint of traditional, normative Judaism, that's what their authors were. Sectarian heretics like the authors of the the Scrolls cannot be relied on to accurately transmit texts in accordance with the rules & norms of the normative orthodoxy that they broke away fro, denied & despised! (That would be like saying that a Donatist version of Luke indicated that traditional versions of Luke were faulty.)

This http://www.imj.org.il/eng/shrine/index.html is the Israel Museum (where they're kept) site about the Scrolls.

You might also find http://www.aish.com/shavuottorah/shavuottorahdefault/Accuracy_of_Torah_Text.asp to be very interesting.

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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I refer to the Dead Sea Scrolls as the "Heretics' Scrolls" since, from the standpoint of traditional, normative Judaism, that's what their authors were. Sectarian heretics like the authors of the the Scrolls cannot be relied on to accurately transmit texts in accordance with the rules & norms of the normative orthodoxy that they broke away fro, denied & despised! (That would be like saying that a Donatist version of Luke indicated that traditional versions of Luke were faulty.)

This http://www.imj.org.il/eng/shrine/index.html is the Israel Museum (where they're kept) site about the Scrolls.


Our Sages excluded the so-called Apocryphal books from the Tanakh (what we call what you call the "Old Testament") for several reasons. Ferinstance, I Maccabees, while considered to be very historically accurate & written by a believing Jew, was not considered to be Divinely inspired.
Shalom SSM. I never read Maccabees but I believe a lot of christians use that with the Book of Daniel.

I of course do not beleive Daniel 11/12 has much to do with that historical period as the author of this enlightening site shows. Depends on how one views the non-Hebrew book of Revelation and the Hebrew book of Daniel. Shalom.

http://www.awitness.org/bible.html

The book of Daniel has become important to Christian theology because the gospel of Mark made constant reference to the book, calling Christ the son of man, and because Mark wrote an apocalypse borrowing the image of the Beast of Daniel's prophecy, which would appear again later in the Christian Apocalypse, the Book of Revelations. For this reason you often hear that Daniel predicted the rise of the Revived Roman empire, but an examination proves that the prophecy in the Book of Daniel can be dated to the time of Antiochus the Selucid Greek beast of Daniel's prophecy. The only reason there is a need to 'revive' someone is that prophecy turned out to be false in that the last few verses never came true.........

...........In chapter 7 of the book, as in chapters 10 and 11, history is described up to the time of Maccabees. History is fine in Daniel until you reach the time of 2nd century, when suddenly the prophecies fall to pieces and become false (which is a pretty good indication of when the book was written).
 
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This may not have interesse to you(LittleLambofJesus) as you are not a catholic, but the purgatory and the intercession of the saints are doctrines found in the Maccabees.




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Thanks for your help, i might have some more questions for you, but let me read the stuff you gave me first.




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Hi all!

SecretOfFatima said:
stillsmallvoice
Thanks for your help

You're welcome!

SecretOfFatima said:
i might have some more questions for you, but let me read the stuff you gave me first.

Fire away anytime! :)

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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