Lucy: More Fraud

JohnR7 said:

Evidence for what? Their research has nothing to do with evolution. Other then they put a little pinch of incense on the alter of evolution as they walk in the door. That is the beginning and the end of their scientific obligation to the theory of evolution.

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Evolutionary theory is at the very heart of basically all of modern biology.

Evolution is the theory of common descent


no it is not.
evolution is all about change between the generations because of an imperfect replicator and differential reproduction success which alters the relative percentages of various alternative alleles in the population.

it doesn't even require common descent which is an important principle in TofE. say we find a smoker deep sea vent that has a completely different genetic code. this will show that life has two roots, so to speak. So? It doesn't challegne the TofE, only expands the idea of common descent to two abiogenetic events. one in particular around that smoker and the other giving rise to the rest of the life on earth.

common descent is a principle in the modern TofE but it is not required in a-life, in GA or in other applications of evolutionary theory. It is a particular principle in the way life has evolved on this planet. it may not be true on other planets. they may have hundreds of trees of life with very different origins, so what? it doesn't challenge the TofE.

JohnR7 said:

The same way they explain it now. They just have to admit that the DNA was there from the beginning that they it did not show up because of "mutations". Evolution does not and it can not create new information. This has been proven with fruit flys where in 2 million years of evolution they have not created any new information that was not there before.

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Ah, praying to the altar of Dembski, I see. Not only is his theory of information as it relates to evolution flat-out wrong (it's nothing more than the old wrong 2nd law of thermodynamics arguments), but we have observed situations that could be described as nothing but creating information.

That is to say, we have observed instances where a gene has been copied, and each copy of said gene is later adapted to a separate purpose. If that's not creating new information, I don't know what is.

If evolution were true, you would be able to take the DNA from two different life forms and put them together to create a life form that has never been seen before. We know to much about genetic engineering to take the theory of common descent serious anymore.

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Well, uh, that is the essence of what modern genetic engineering is. We're continually splicing the genes of all sorts of different life forms together to make for more productive crops.

JohnR7 said:

Isn't that pretty much the same thing I am saying?

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no.

here is no evidence for evolution: zero, zip, zilch, none. Becasue the theory is not true, never has been and it never will be. So calling something evolution that is not evolution is not going to make evolution true.

Evolution is the theory of common descent, everything else is fluff and puff.


it is the opposite of what you said.

you said that evolution is the theory of common descent.
i pointed out that common descent is a principle derived from how life evolved on this earth, is not a forever linked to principle in the TofE but doesn't occur in a-life or GA, for example, which are evolutionary.

JohnR7 said:

You know what evolution is and what it is not. Giving me a dump truck full of evidence that has nothing to do with evolution is not going to help your case.

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You know what would help your case? actually having any evidence.

Which apperently you don't, or else you'd posted it years ago.

This is why evolution theory is bait and switch. They give evidence for something that has nothing to do with evolution, yet they try to call it evolution.

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Okay, I've had it with this nonsense. You say you know the theory of evolution by heart and you say you have evidence against it.

Present your case then, because saying that the theory "is bait and switch" Is to me, if I'd say " the gap-theory is a big fat lie". You can stop with this baseless claim, or present evidence against it Johnny.

What is the theory of evolution according to you, what is it's flaw and what is your evidence against it?

Evolution is like the old statues they use to call idols. They expect people to bow down and "worship" them. But their idols are deaf, dumb, blind and lame.

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I take resent to the wording here. I don't call you dumb, eventhough you are clearly stonewalling.

People give lip service to the theory of evolution. I can see where it would have some value in teaching becasue it is a way to organize.

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You know what the true value is in teaching it? Having a means to cure deseases. Having the tools to understand paterns. Having the knowledge to combat pests.

Just 3 small things that the gap-theory can't. But any other practical application for the gap-theory would do fine too. Please list any, John.

Otherwise it has no practical application in the real world and it fails miserably in that it's perdictions are not accurate and they do not come true.

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Baseless claim.

The main reason the theory has survive is because they blur the line between what is real and what is not real.

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Baseless claim. just like the rest of the post.

JohnR7 said:

Evidence for what? Their research has nothing to do with evolution. Other then they put a little pinch of incense on the alter of evolution as they walk in the door.

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I take resent against this. Evolution is not a religion.

JohnR7 said:

The same way they explain it now.

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uh.. Okay:

wiki said:

Population, quantitative and ecological genetics are all very closely related subfields and also build upon classical genetics (supplemented with modern molecular genetics). They are chiefly distinguished by a common theme of studying populations of organisms drawn from nature but differ somewhat in the choice of which aspect of the organism on which they focus. The foundational discipline is population genetics which studies the distribution of and change in allele frequencies of genes under the influence of the four evolutionary forces: natural selection, genetic drift, mutation and migration. It is the theory that attempts to explain such phenomena as adaptation and speciation.

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That's.. kind of .. with the theory of evolution.

JohnR7 said:

Evidence for what?.

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You know. That gap-theory I've been asking 3 pages for now. I'm also still waiting for any practical applications of this theory.

Also, a hybrid between a fly and a human would be awesome evidence against evolution.

I never said that. You need to get your facts straight.

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Then why do you go about and make claims about it like you do know it by heart?

Other then they put a little pinch of incense on the alter of evolution as they walk in the door.


all the years i spent in classrooms and laboratories i seemed to have missed the altars. are they usually near the doors then? what kind of incense do they require? where do we obtain this powder, i've never seen it for sale in any store. Perhaps you could direct us both to the nearest altar and to the nearest incense store? i'm curious about both.

thanks.

JohnR7 said:

I did not say it was a religion, I said it was idolatry. For it to be a "religion" you would have to claim there was a false God of Evolution. I never even thought to say that.

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Well okay. If you say so.

The gap-theory is Idolatry. John says it's allowed for evolution, so it goes both ways I geuss.

JohnR7 said:

Ok, just to make sure we are on the same page here. You do know that the Greeks had LOTS of temples where people who go to worship their god or their idol? For example: Nike is a god and they would worship at his idol by offering insense. Or I have told that Hilarity was a god and people would worship at his alter.

Perhaps the alter is no longer there, but it is the same. People still worship at the alter of Nike, people still worship at the alter of Hilarity.

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ok, can you point me towards them?
i'd like to see and study these altars.

especially this new one you mention to the god of laughter-Hilarity

that sounds pretty interesting.

i can't believe i've missed all these altars all these years.
i saw the ones in China and Taiwan but missed those in my own country, how sad.

JohnR7 said:

John talks about one in the Bible where people go to: "worship the beast and his image". Do you think that they have not built that temple yet?

Rev. 14:11
And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."

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Which temple are you referring to?