Creationist Science Evidence

Chalnoth · Sep 7, 2006

shinbits said:
Okay. Like what? And which supernatural claims of a devine being was "debunked"?

Can you provide that?

I never said that. Claims of a divine being can't typically be proven false. It's the more down to Earth claims that can and have been. Examples would be the flood, creation, the power of prayer, faith healing.

Chalnoth · Sep 7, 2006

shinbits said:
If a man suddenly popped into being, how would scientists rightly determine the age of this man, who's not even a minute old?

Well, I'd consider using the known average mutation rates of cells in modern humans, take a number of cells from this man (skin cells and hair follicles should be particularly useful, as they grow continuously), and compare between this man and a modern human.

If this man was suddenly created, I would expect little to no divergence in the DNA from one cell to another. Divergence in the DNA would be evidence of cells having divided.

Sure, whoever "poofed" this man into existence could simulate age. But that's not a statement that has any meaning in it, as it contains no possibility of proof or disproof.

shernren · Sep 8, 2006

shinbits said:
My thoughts exactly. Thank you for this post.

You do realize that it is precisely because of such sentiments that I, even being a Christian, would disagree with:

There are people who believe in the Bible based on strong archeological evidence, strong historical accuracy of the events recorded, and all the Biblical prophecies written hundreds and thousands of years ago which many have clearly come to pass.
All this, on top of testimonials of miracles, as well as personal experience of God's presence.

These people, based on these strong evidences for the divinity of the Bible, also assume, as you do for evolution, that the Bible is true.

So you while you criticize Creationists for already assuming the flood is true, you say your the assumptions you make for evolution are are well founded, based on strong evidence.

The Bible, also has strong evidence.

So don't criticize Creationists for already assuming it's true when evolutionists do the same thing with thier beliefs.

If evidence cannot falsify the Bible, it cannot verify it, either. That's fine for someone like me to whom science is not the only criterion of truth. The question is, if YECs are really so unconcerned about science, why are they so adamant to defend the Bible scientifically?

shinbits · Sep 8, 2006

shernren said:
If evidence cannot falsify the Bible, it cannot verify it, either.

Ah, that's where you're incorrect. The supernatural cannot be falsified, but the records of people, wars, locations and nations can be. And on these topics which the Bible has recorded, the Bible is completely accurate.

Data · Sep 8, 2006

shinbits said:
Ah, that's where you're incorrect. The supernatural cannot be falsified, but the records of people, wars, locations and nations can be. And on these topics which the Bible has recorded, the Bible is completely accurate.

Except genesis, the flood, the exodus.. etc?

shinbits · Sep 8, 2006

Data said:
Except genesis, the flood, the exodus.. etc?

that's the supernatural. The supernatural events, which can't be disproven, are just as factual as the non-supernatural events, which have been proven.

Mistermystery · Sep 8, 2006

shinbits said:
that's the supernatural. The supernatural events, which can't be disproven, are just as factual as the non-supernatural events, which have been proven.

Ba-dum-psst!

Chalnoth · Sep 8, 2006

shinbits said:
that's the supernatural. The supernatural events, which can't be disproven, are just as factual as the non-supernatural events, which have been proven.

I'm sorry, how?

EvoDan · Sep 8, 2006

shinbits said:
that's the supernatural. The supernatural events, which can't be disproven, are just as factual as the non-supernatural events, which have been proven.

I wonder sometimes if people even read what they are writing.... :scratch:

ReverendDG · Sep 9, 2006

shinbits said:
Ah, that's where you're incorrect. The supernatural cannot be falsified, but the records of people, wars, locations and nations can be. And on these topics which the Bible has recorded, the Bible is completely accurate.

I'm sorry what?, the default would be the supernatural didn't happen if it can't be falsified, much less verifed, why should we believe its true with no evidence
the flood,genesis,exodus, judges,kings, david, soloman,etc all of this is unverifible
infact there are only a few people that have been found to be real, such as a few of the kings listed by the egyptians.
everything put forth as 'proof' of the historic nature of the bible requires too many leaps of logic

the only things we do know from history that are true is there was an israel and people named israelits that considered themselves related to someone named israel aka jacob

LightHorseman · Sep 9, 2006

Ah, that's where you're incorrect. The supernatural cannot be falsified, but the records of people, wars, locations and nations can be. And on these topics which the Bible has recorded, the Bible is completely accurate.

Baloney. Very little Biblical "history" has been confirmed outside of the Bible. Two examples spring to mind... Caesar declaring all the world to be taxed, and the masacre of the innocents... I mean, sure lots in the Bible HAS been confirmed... but thats not the same as ALL of it, like you state.

LightHorseman · Sep 9, 2006

And I'm still after any sort of scientific evidence of Biological theistic intervention. Any at all. Someone PLEASE try to find me some? Cos I have looked and looked, and asked and asked, but no one has produced any yet.

joey444 · Sep 9, 2006

I'll try to upload some pictures from The Gospel of The FSM.

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