Did God Indirectly Cause Job To Suffer, Be Sick, And Be In Poverty?

Trish1947 said:

How can someone not allow his house to be broken into, if this refers to Jesus? Who's going to prevent Jesus from breaking up a house? He's referring to who He called the thief.
Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

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Tamara224 said:

Trish... it's an analogy or a metaphor... Christ isn't literally a thief and no one is literally going to be breaking into anyone's house.

Jesus was comparing himself to a thief only insofar as the unexpected nature of his arrival is concerned. Jesus was saying... "just like no one expects a thief, no one is going to expect me."

Please, go back and read the passage in context. Jesus was referring to Himself (please don't attribute His words about Himself to words about Satan...He wasn't talking about the thief of John 10:10 in Matthew 24... Different books, different metaphors).

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Trish1947 said:

I don't agree with you. There's a difference in someone being called a thief. And a discription of how quickly Jesus comes. They are totally two different subjects.

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Jim M said:

You have to actually read the Book of Job to understand it.

~Jim

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Tamara224 said:

Oh Trish...

42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

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all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him

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Trish1947 said:

I'm not disagreeing with you on that part. But He said know this, that if the owner of the house knew what hour the thief was coming, he would have watched and not allowed His house to be broken into. Now Jesus can break into my house when ever he wants. But Satan cannot. The thief better be Jesus, if not the thief is the devil, and he came to rob, kill, and destroy. He has no authority over the believer. Jesus came that we might have life and have it more abundantly.

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JimfromOhio said:

Job 42:11 clearly teaches that God gave Satan to attack Job.

Job 42:7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. and in verse 8 "You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has."

Job's friends sounds like some of the posters who keep disagreeing. Not all of Job's friends' doctrines were false but they used their doctrines wrongly. Think about this.

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Trish1947 said:

Has anyone considered that God was upset with Jobs three friends that spoke wrongly, but God never rebuked Elihu, the youngest that spoke last? Why, Because Elihu spoke good of God, and also said God does not afflict. Now some scholars believe that since God said nothing to Elihu, that it might have been added later, but if it wasn't added later, maybe God thought Elihu spoke rightly about God, that He does not afflict. And talked about God mercy, and goodness.

Job 34:10 ¶Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
Job 37:23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.

God told Eliphaz and Bildad and Sophar to make a burnt offering for speaking wrongly. But said nothing to Elihu.

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Trish1947 said:

Has anyone considered that God was upset with Jobs three friends that spoke wrongly, but God never rebuked Elihu, the youngest that spoke last? Why, Because Elihu spoke good of God, and also said God does not afflict. Now some scholars believe that since God said nothing to Elihu, that it might have been added later, but if it wasn't added later, maybe God thought Elihu spoke rightly about God, that He does not afflict. And talked about God mercy, and goodness.

Job 34:10 ¶Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
Job 37:23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.

God told Eliphaz and Bildad and Sophar to make a burnt offering for speaking wrongly. But said nothing to Elihu.

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JimfromOhio said:

Job 42:7
After the LORD had said these things to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

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TreeOfLife said:

Get your "God is evil" boys straight there bud.

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JimfromOhio said:

Seems like you don't seem concerned with your creditibility in your posts. Creditbility is important if you want people to take your posts seriously.

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Trish1947 said:

Has anyone considered that God was upset with Jobs three friends that spoke wrongly, but God never rebuked Elihu, the youngest that spoke last? Why, Because Elihu spoke good of God, and also said God does not afflict. Now some scholars believe that since God said nothing to Elihu, that it might have been added later, but if it wasn't added later, maybe God thought Elihu spoke rightly about God, that He does not afflict. And talked about God mercy, and goodness.

Job 34:10 ¶Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
Job 37:23 Touching the Almighty, we cannot find him out: he is excellent in power, and in judgment, and in plenty of justice: he will not afflict.

God told Eliphaz and Bildad and Sophar to make a burnt offering for speaking wrongly. But said nothing to Elihu.

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Jim M said:

Are we just going to ignore Job 42.11 (below)? Is God’s dealings with people, both what is considered pleasant as well as unpleasant, ever to be labeled “wickedness” (Job 34,10)? Is God wicked, by your definition, when He does those things of which you disapprove (you know, the things you wouldn’t do to your children)?

That Job’s problems, adversities, calamities, trials, etc. were from God not Satan (see Job 42.11 below) is clear. Satan was merely God’s agent. Those calamities included the loss of all of his children, his wealth, his health, the respect of his wife and “friends” … every temporal thing that Job had!!

Now, are you calling it “wickedness”, seeing it was “adversity that the LORD had brought upon him”? Both Job 34.10 and 42.11 are right. But be careful what you identify as wickedness. It just might be the Lord.

~Jim

Here’s Job 42.11 again (for those who missed it or have chosen to ignore it): Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all those who had been his acquaintances before, came to him and ate food with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the LORD had brought upon him.

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Jim M said:

Are we just going to ignore Job 42.11 (below)? Is God’s dealings with people, both what is considered pleasant as well as unpleasant, ever to be labeled “wickedness” (Job 34,10)? Is God wicked, by your definition, when He does those things of which you disapprove (you know, the things you wouldn’t do to your children)?

That Job’s problems, adversities, calamities, trials, etc. were from God not Satan (see Job 42.11 below) is clear. Satan was merely God’s agent. Those calamities included the loss of all of his children, his wealth, his health, the respect of his wife and “friends” … every temporal thing that Job had!!

Now, are you calling it “wickedness”, seeing it was “adversity that the LORD had brought upon him”? Both Job 34.10 and 42.11 are right. But be careful what you identify as wickedness. It just might be the Lord.

~Jim

Here’s Job 42.11 again (for those who missed it or have chosen to ignore it): Then all his brothers, all his sisters, and all those who had been his acquaintances before, came to him and ate food with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversity that the LORD had brought upon him.

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JimfromOhio said:

Job 42:7
After the LORD had said these things to Job, He said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

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