Evolution in your opinion

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Originally posted by Stormy
Raging Atheist: Can you put aside your raging for a time and give me a little more than two cents of thought?

Yes. :rolleyes:

might I suggest you stop attacking my name? its ridiculous...

my 3 cents of a thought: you grew up to believe in god? yes? you grew up in a devout family? yes? correct me at any point if Im wrong... you grew up without an understanding of evolution and you're now trying to reconcile it with your beliefs which have been beaten into you by your family and our culture in general since your birth...

what does all this mean? It means you have no intention of looking at evolution objectively... hence, I feel no desire to waste my time telling you about how I "feel" about evolution... thus why I commended LFOD's post... perhaps I should repeat myself a third time? will that add up to 2 cents?
 
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might I suggest you stop attacking my name? its ridiculous...

Raging Atheist: If I have offended you with my feeble attempt at humor ...I apologize. It was not my intention. But before you get too upset, remember it is not I who gave you the title of raging.

my 3 cents of a thought: you grew up to believe in god? yes?

From as young as I can remember I have always sensed that I was not alone.

you grew up in a devout family? yes? correct me at any point if I’m wrong...

No. Alcoholic Father... abusive Mother. But I knew that what they were doing to me was much less than what they were doing to themselves. I left at fourteen.

you grew up without an understanding of evolution and you're now trying to reconcile it with your beliefs which have been beaten into you by your family and our culture in general since your birth...

I do not profess a religion. I say I am a Christian because I have come to believe that God sent his son to speak with us. Believe me belief was not what was beaten into me. But you know what... Life has never beaten it out of me either. :)

It means you have no intention of looking at evolution objectively... hence, I feel no desire to waste my time telling you about how I "feel" about evolution... thus why I commended LFOD's post... perhaps I should repeat myself a third time? will that add up to 2 cents?

If that is your wish, but you need to understand that I have at least scanned for information just about every site that you could post. I do appreciate the minds of others and take what they say into consideration. But no, I will not allow their thoughts to become dominate over my own. So I guess if you do not wish to contribute, we have nothing to discuss.
 
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Originally posted by ThienAn
Storm, it doesn't bother me that much that athiests believe in evolution. What bothers me is that believers believe in evolution.

Does not all of Creation testify to God's majesty?

Even the parts that surprise us?
 
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ThienAn: I am sorry if you find it troubling. I do not think the way I feel about evolution is against anything that is of God. I believe that God wants his children to turn to truth and not shy away from it. I believe in evolution by Intelligent design ... that is GOD!

When and if Scientist uncover all there is to know about creation then we will see the face of God. But I do not think our minds will ever succeed in controlling our emotions. We will destroy ourselves with misunderstanding and hatred before accomplishing that which could have been ... possible.
 
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But I do not think our minds will ever succeed in controlling our emotions. We will destroy ourselves with misunderstanding and hatred before accomplishing that which could have been ... possible.
I disagree, Stormy. You just have to have faith in Humanity, which is where my faith lies.

- Joe
 
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My opinions about evolution are the same as those about any other branch of science; the theory and the observations have developed together, and they make sense to me. As observations come along that require shifts in the theory, the theory is shifted, just like any other. For me there's no conflict between this theory and the possibility of the existence of God; I don't believe in God, but I certainly accept the possibility of the existence of a creator of some sort. However, if that creator is supernatural, there's no way science can address him/her/it, so I don't see a problem reconciling the two - they aren't opposed to start with.

Where I DO see the problem is the argument based on ignorance or plain untruth - "it's ONLY a theory (as if that was a problem in science)," "thre's no REAL evidence for it," "lots of great scientists don't believe in evolution," and the reams of misinformation on the creationist websites. If that's what it takes for a religion to discredit a perceived opponent, it doesn't, to me, say much about the religion.

Usually when talking to creationists, I gather that their opposition to evolution comes down to the desire to feel special - the notion that I can't have come from a monkey, evolved from a ball of slime, be related to the lower animals because I need to feel I'm special in God's eyes. And I have never understood why a person who evolved from the first lifeforms, which developed from inorganic materials, which accreted from the earliest starstuff of God'ss creation, can't feel special.
 
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I guess what I should have said was this. I realize that science discover a lot of things, one of which is how things change over time. I don't love science & I don't study them, so I don't speak on this subject with authority. But if evolution simply means the changes that occur over time then I don't see a problem with that. After all, how can I deny the changes that can be seen & proven?

But if evolution means that, we, as a human race, have evolved from some other creature, then I disagree because that goes against my belief - and what's more important, it's not biblical. Athiests can believe whatever they want because their foundation isn't built on the word of God. But believers, who builds their belief on the word of God, shouldn't be believing such nonsense.
 
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Originally posted by ThienAn

No, it does not. Take an idol and worship it. Now, where's God's majesty in that?

I see. You're right, the Bible is wrong. When it says that all of creation testifies to God's majesty, then of course, it's just one of those little errors that creeps in.

I would have thought God's majesty was revealed in the inherent longing of people for something worthy of their worship, but I may be mistakenly thinking that every part of God's creation is good and worthy, just like the Bible says.
 
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I disagree, Stormy. You just have to have faith in Humanity, which is where my faith lies.

Joe: Don't get me wrong. I do believe that we were created to achieve that which we desire. But I cannot in reality control the mind or emotions of anyone other than myself. We are at the mercy of those that are bent on destruction. My Faith is not in man but instead lies firmly in God. He will never desert his children.

I do not mind speaking of my Faith, but for now I would still like to hear from the others on their ideas about evolution. I hope we can get this thread back on track.
 
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Somehow, I can´t believe we were planed the way we are.

Evolution happens. Change happens. That is a fact.
So, is there any evidence that some of these changes were planed and others not? How would we know? It is almost impossible to deduce a meaning of usage from simple existance.

But I don´t think it is necessary to have a meaning. One of the most simple facts of "life" is, IMO:"Hey, it´s fun. Let´s make more of it!"

And that is enough to fill the world with life.
 
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ThienAn: You asked what is Intelligent design. Religions speak of God. They try to define him into a quantity that can be realized by the human mind. I do not think this to be possible. God is far above the restraints of all our man made religions. God is the Intelligence behind the design of this universe. In other words nothing just happened that produced our world or the multitude of life forms that exist upon it. Everything was Intelligently designed by God.

I myself am not sure how man fits into evolution. I know there were periods of unexplainable boosts in evolution. Perhaps man was one such boost. I firmly belief that at some point God turned to his creation and decided that it was time for man. He gave us his whole world... and all he wants in return is our love.
 
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ever since I was a child,I always had doubt that a God just created everything.I never accepted the stories told to me in sunday school.These stories always sounded "made up" for some reason.as I have gotten older I am more convinced now that we did rise from the mud.I have always had a problem with unanswered questions being tossed to a God.We as humans owe it to ourselves to try to look for answers and not give up or pawn the question over to God.The mere fact of the amazing diversity of life is almost to astounding for even a God to have created,in my opinion.300,000 species of beetles? if there is a god then who or what created him?the whole "God theory" seems so much more far fetched.in my opinion...
 
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My opinion? I am an agnostic. I cannot prove or disprove the theory of evolution, no more than I can prove or disprove the existence of god. I am more inclined to believe the Theory of Evolution, as there is a mountain of verifiable evidence that supports it. I have found not a shred of evidence in support of creationism. I am a very show-me kind of person, who was raised in a holy-roller christian household (Pentecostal Holiness). Somehow I managed to grow out of it all. You had said that you did not have enough faith to believe that it all came from nothing. Yet you have enough faith to believe that it was all created with a magical wave of the hand or something. The latter seems more incredible to me than the former, but that is my humble opinion. Actually, there is a very easy way to demonstrate how something could come from nothing. Leave a slice of bread out on the counter for a day or so. It will become covered with living organisms. How did they get there? Walk? Nope, no means of locomotion. They were already in the bread? Again, no. The bread created them? Nyet. God made them? Some may believe so but, no. There is a scientific explanation for what happens on the bread, and it is a simple process, not requiring some miraculous creation. The fact, as I see it, is that it is more impossible to fathom some supreme entity using a little hocus pocus than it is to imagine that everything just happened. My newbie two cents. I have enjoyed the discussion.
 
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