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The Words of the Preacher

These are "the words of the preacher," not the words of God; and this is how it should be understood, except that we must recognize that Solomon was a backslidden preacher when this book was written.

These words are the reasonings, searchings, and findings of a natural man "under the sun," a natural man seeking to satisfy his soul.



Ten Evidences of Backsliding:


1. His attitude toward creation and human life, everything on earth being considered vain, empty, and extremely vexing.

(1) The term "vanity of vanities" is used 3 times (Eccles. 1:2; Eccles. 12:8).
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(2) "Vanity and vexation of spirit" is used 7 times (Eccles. 1:14; Eccles. 2:11,17,26; Eccles. 4:4,16; Eccles. 6:9).
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(3) "All is vanity" is used 5 times (Eccles. 1:2,14; Eccles. 2:17; Eccles. 3:19; Eccles. 12:8).
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(4) "Divers vanities" is used once (Eccles. 5:7).​

(5) "This is also vanity" is used 13 times (Eccles. 2:1,15,19,21,23; Eccles. 4:4,8; Eccles. 5:10; Eccles. 6:2,9; Eccles. 7:6; Eccles. 8:10,14).(6) Vanity is used 8 times in various ways (Eccles. 4:7; Eccles. 6:4,11; Eccles. 7:15; Eccles. 8:14; Eccles. 9:9; Eccles. 11:8,10). Life itself was considered vanity.
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(7) The words vanity and vanities are used 37 times throughout this short book, compared to 62 times in all the other books of the Bible. See Thirty Things Considered Vanity.​


2. His reasonings "under the sun" prove he was not speaking as an inspired preacher in harmony with God. The expression "under the sun" is used 29 times. No inspired preacher or prophet of God in any other book so reasons about things under the sun as Solomon. This must have been the period of his life after his wives had turned his heart away from Jehovah (1 Kings 11:1-10). He had 1,000 women in all—700 wives and 300 concubines. His reference to them in Eccles. 7:26-28 seems to indicate this as the time of his backsliding. He declared he had considered one by one and had not found a true woman—one who was pure and free from seductive traits, whereas, he had found one man among all his trusted servants. Compare this natural reasoning under the sun with the true teachings of a preacher who was not backslidden in heart (Matthew 6:25-34; Col. 3:1-4).


3. His general dissatisfaction with life (Eccles. 1:8; Eccles. 4:8) indicates a backslidden heart. A true man of God will be satisfied and contented (Psalm 22:26; Psalm 36:8; Phil. 4:11; Hebrews 13:5).


4. What he gave his heart over to during this time proves it was not right:

(1) He gave his heart to seek and search things done under the sun instead of devoting himself to the conversion of men to things above the sun; i.e., heavenly things (Eccles. 1:13)
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(2) He gave his heart over to know madness and folly, something no true sincere preacher would do (Eccles. 1:17)
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(3) He gave his heart over to wine, folly, mirth and pleasure without restraint (Eccles. 2:1-3)
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(4) He fulfilled all his lusts and passions, not withholding his heart from any kind of joy and pleasure (Eccles. 2:10)​

(5) He deliberately caused his heart to despair (Eccles. 2:20)
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(6) He gave his heart to know the wickedness of folly, and the foolishness of madness (Eccles. 7:25)​
5. His self-exaltation proves that his heart was not right (Eccles. 1:16; Eccles. 2:4-9). Solomon constantly referred to himself, using "I" 87 times, "me" 17 times, "my" 22 times, "myself" 4 times, and "mine" 9 times in 222 verses, as compared to the writing of John, the beloved preacher of the N.T., who used none of these personal pronouns in his entire Gospel of 879 verses.

6. Being surprised that his wisdom still remained in him while his heart was in this condition indicates that he was not right (Eccles. 2:9).


7. His hatred of life shows that he had no peace with God (Eccles. 2:17). He actually praised the dead as being better off than the living (Eccles. 4:2-3).


8. His selfishness—worrying about leaving his works to others after his death proves he was not right in heart and had no love for others (Eccles. 2:18-19).


9. He advocated four wrong principles concerning sin and principles of living, which no preacher in harmony with God will do:
(1) Enjoy mirth, pleasure and wine-drinking and drunkenness (Eccles. 2:1-3; Eccles. 9:7)
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(2) Nothing better in life than to eat, drink, be merry (Eccles. 2:24-25; Eccles. 8:15)​

(3) Nothing better for a man than to rejoice in his own works (Eccles. 3:22)​

(4) Money answers all things (Eccles. 10:19)
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10. He taught several false doctrines which he no doubt would not have taught had he been normal in his spiritual life:

(1) All things in life are vanity and vexation of spirit.​

(2) No new thing under the sun (Eccles. 1:9-10; Eccles. 3:15). Because Solomon said this, some think that nothing whatsoever can be invented which did not exist in the past; but Daniel predicted an increase of knowledge and this would indicate many new things (Daniel 12:4).​

(3) No former things remembered (Eccles. 1:11). All things, good and bad, will be remembered and everyone will be judged for them (2 Cor. 5:9-10; Rev. 20:11-15).
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(4) Crooked things cannot be made straight (Eccles. 1:15; Eccles. 7:13). Not only is it possible to make things straight, but this has been done in all ages, both regarding material things and crooked ways of life. See Isaiah 40:4; Isaiah 42:16; Isaiah 45:2; Luke 3:5.
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(5) Increasing knowledge increases sorrow (Eccles. 1:18). This is true when knowledge is used in a wrong way as Solomon used his at various times in this book. When he used it in the right way it increased joy and brought rewards; even Solomon himself recognized this (Proverbs 1:5; Proverbs 9:9). The N.T. encourages an increase in knowledge (2 Peter 1:1-10; 2 Peter 3:18).​

(6) No remembrance of the wise more than of the fool, and the past will be forgotten (Eccles. 1:11; Eccles. 2:16). See statements to the contrary (Psalm 112:6; Malachi 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Rev. 20:11-15).
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(7) The day of death is better than the day of birth (Eccles. 7:1). This is not true of the wicked (Matthew 26:24; Luke 16:19-31; Isaiah 14:9).​


(8) No just man upon the earth—one that does good and does not sin (Eccles. 7:20). This is contradicted by Romans 5:1-11; Romans 6:14-23; Romans 8:1-13; 2 Cor. 5:17-21;10:4-5; Titus 2:11-13; 1 Peter 2:21-22; 1 John 1:7-9; 1 John 2:29; 1 John 3:5-10; 1 John 4:1-4,18.​


From "Dakes Annotated Reference Bible"
 

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"Ecclesiastes should be kept in its context. Solomon was engulfed in human philosophy and he was backslidden, although there are times rays of truth break through. It was written from a human perspective and the theme of the book is said over and over when a person dies he has no more portion under the sun as in vs. 10 of Eccl.9 (used 29 times). This is an idiom of in this world, where ones functions on earth are no longer possible. These were put in the Bible for an example of how far one can go away from the truth they once knew so well. Just as Satan's lie was recorded to Eve in saying “you will not surely die” so are the words of Solomon in his backslidden state that are not a revelation concerning truth. "

http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd22.htm
 
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"In many ways Solomon was wise, but in many ways he was a fool, for he did not practice what he preached in Proverbs. Ecclesiastes is the testimony of this backslidden preacher who amassed things to himself. His cry is " vanity of vanities; all is vanity" (Ecc. 1:2). His life of amassing wealth, women, and fame left Solomon an empty void. These things never satisfy. Only a relationship with the Lord and loving Him with all that is within us will satisfy."

http://www.valleychristiancenter.org/Pathways2.html
 
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I think the purpose of Soloman was to show us how much a person with all wisdom on earth as well as all wealth on earth couldn't bring about anything of lasting effect. Only God is worthy of all we have.

He may have been backsliden, which I'm sure he was, but I also think that this time he spent researching these things are of great value to us today because he's telling us not to waste precious time that should be spent elsewhere.
 
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There has to be a reason God has it in the Word, and I think Living for Christ has a good point. It's not that we take it as a way to live FOR God, but what happens when we don't. We go back to the total flesh, nothing of the Spirit. We take on Solomons' attitude.
 
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I think the purpose of Soloman was to show us how much a person with all wisdom on earth as well as all wealth on earth couldn't bring about anything of lasting effect. Only God is worthy of all we have.

He may have been backsliden, which I'm sure he was, but I also think that this time he spent researching these things are of great value to us today because he's telling us not to waste precious time that should be spent elsewhere.
Very good.
But some pick and quote quips from the book without taking these things into consideration.
God never intended for us to take every word of this book as HIS words. They are, in many cases, rememberances of the author as to his days in sin.
I personally do not think he was backslidden at the time of the writing... but his words recount the errors of his ways in those days when he was in sin.
As one commentator said... the book is the author's document of repentance. He is not telling us truths to live by! Exactly the opposite... he is recounting the errors of his humanly derived logic and religion!
It amazes me when believers quote this book as GOD speaking!!!!!

What a massive and critical lack of discernment and common sense!
 
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Very good.
But some pick and quote quips from the book without taking these things into consideration.
God never intended for us to take every word of this book as HIS words. They are, in many cases, rememberances of the author as to his days in sin.
I personally do not think he was backslidden at the time of the writing... but his words recount the errors of his ways in those days when he was in sin.
As one commentator said... the book is the author's document of repentance. He is not telling us truths to live by! Exactly the opposite... he is recounting the errors of his humanly derived logic and religion!
It amazes me when believers quote this book a GOD speaking!!!!!

What a massive and critical lack of discernment and common sense!


In Timothy it says to rightly divide the word and elsewhere it says to discern the spirit behind everything. The bible contains the thoughts and actions of God as well as man. So I think we need to be very careful to find the context behind the words. Job's friends were repremanded for useing careless speach and we wouldn't follow Satan's advise knowingly. We need the truth behind any of our convictions and that takes discernment.
 
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Reading BOTH Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, which are books about "wisdom". Proverbs 15:24 The path of life leads upward for the wise to keep him from going down to the grave. Ecclesiastes 2:21 For a man may do his work with wisdom, knowledge and skill, and then he must leave all he owns to someone who has not worked for it. This too is meaningless and a great misfortune. Reading Ecclesiastes helps alot. Hearing stories from my elders (old relatives and older Christians) reminded me that their experiences speaks the truth. As they say, "History repeats itself in every generation." Job 8:8-9 "Ask the former generations and find out what their fathers learned, for we were born only yesterday and know nothing, and our days on earth are but a shadow."

Solomon explained to us the reality of life from God's point of view. I arrived naked from the womb of my mother; I will leave in the same condition--with nothing. Whether healthy and full of energy or weak and stricken with pain, I can greet a new day and welcome it as an opportunity to praise and worship God. He knows my current state and my tomorrows, if I have one. "This is the day the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it." (Psalm 118:24).

People can choose not to read Proverbs and Ecclesiastes if they feel those books do not apply to us today. Those books are God's Words through Solomon and they both do apply to us when we need to understand from God's perspective when we study His Word.
 
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The Words of the Preacher

These are "the words of the preacher," not the words of God; and this is how it should be understood, except that we must recognize that Solomon was a backslidden preacher when this book was written.

It is refreshing to see that some people are actually "getting it" . So very little of the Scriptures are actual quotes from the Lord . The term "word of God" for the Scriptures is a misnomer and the cause a lot of confusion - especially when the term is used in the Scriptures for several things .

Good examples of that which you are referring to are Paul's writings to places and people - none of which are to *me* or to where I live . He doesn't say that his writings are from the Lord but from *him* , Paul - only a snippet or two does he claim to be from the Lord . He isn't writing to all Christians but to those that he addresses . Sometimes , he mentions having them given to another place or people . Most of the Scriptures are directed specifically to the Israelites , Israel , Judah , or to Levi - not to descendants of others .

With respect to the newer writings that people mistakenly call "the New Testament" , very little is contain direct quotes from the Lord except for the writings called "gospels" and "Revelations" . And , almost all of those quotes were to specific people and not to all Christians . Some of "Revelations" can be taken as such ... maybe .

I am glad that others are starting to see these things . Too much bible worship ... way too much - any is too much . Thanks .
 
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Ecclesiates is so depressing. It reflects wisdom but not the joy of the Lord. The only part I like is the last verse:

"13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. 14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
 
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Backsliding may indeed be a slippery slope. However, it is a slope and not a cliff. People rarely, if ever, move immediately from spirituality to carnality. The journey is filled with many bad thoughts, words, and deeds. Fellowship with God are open and honest before Him, though they vary greatly in their maturity. Commitment to Christlikeness is not a ticket to instant maturity. The parable of the prodigal (backsliding) son shows the nature of repentance, and God's readiness to welcome and bless all who return to Him. Solomon wrote Proverbs and Ecclesiastes for ALL Believers, not just to the Jews or to specific people. Solomon is saying "Learn from me or you will face similar situation as I did. In Luke 15, I was like this prodigal son which God have placed me where I was that I need to get out. God put me at the bottom which made me humbled that brought me to my senses. Like the prodigal son went back to his father with this attitude: "Father, I've sinned against God, I've sinned before you; I don't deserve to be called your son. Take me on as a hired hand."
 
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It is refreshing to see that some people are actually "getting it" . So very little of the Scriptures are actual quotes from the Lord . The term "word of God" for the Scriptures is a misnomer and the cause a lot of confusion - especially when the term is used in the Scriptures for several things .

Good examples of that which you are referring to are Paul's writings to places and people - none of which are to *me* or to where I live . He doesn't say that his writings are from the Lord but from *him* , Paul - only a snippet or two does he claim to be from the Lord . He isn't writing to all Christians but to those that he addresses . Sometimes , he mentions having them given to another place or people . Most of the Scriptures are directed specifically to the Israelites , Israel , Judah , or to Levi - not to descendants of others .

With respect to the newer writings that people mistakenly call "the New Testament" , very little is contain direct quotes from the Lord except for the writings called "gospels" and "Revelations" . And , almost all of those quotes were to specific people and not to all Christians . Some of "Revelations" can be taken as such ... maybe .

I am glad that others are starting to see these things . Too much bible worship ... way too much - any is too much . Thanks .


Do you think that 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" refers to something other than what we have and know as the Bible? Just because the "Word of God" is not entirely made up of the words of the LORD, does not imply that scripture is not given by inspiration of God.

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Do you think that 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" refers to something other than what we have and know as the Bible? Just because the "Word of God" is not entirely made up of the words of the LORD, does not imply that scripture is not given by inspiration of God.

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I agree. The Holy Spirit have provided us the Bible. Scriptures clearly states that the purpose of the Bible is to make us know God more every day and feel His love on a daily basis; to spiritually change us as we read it. The Bible is Book of Life. Spiritual truth is spiritually discerned. Spiritual wisdom begins by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Do you think that 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" refers to something other than what we have and know as the Bible? Just because the "Word of God" is not entirely made up of the words of the LORD, does not imply that scripture is not given by inspiration of God.

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Why ask *me* that ? I was only agreeing with and expanding on the OP . How about my answering you when you are through with them ? :)

Aw , forget it ... I will answer now . Who knows what responses *that* would bring . :doh:

What I wrote does not contradict the Scriptures . I did not write that the Scriptures were not true nor did I write that they were not inspired by the Lord . In your way of writing ... just because writings were inspired by the Lord does not mean that they were written to everyone - especially when they themselves state that they were written to a specific people long dead . And , Paul also wrote urging people to walk by the Spirit and not the written code - that would include any written code by him .

Edited to add : It is written as a quote from the Lord and a command to put to death those that break the Sabbath . Now , it is inspired by the Lord . It is a quote of the Lord . And , it is a command . What people do with this is what they can allow anyone do with any other part of the Scriptures .
 
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It is written as a quote from the Lord and a command to put to death those that break the Sabbath . Now , it is inspired by the Lord . It is a quote of the Lord . And , it is a command . What people do with this is what they can allow anyone do with any other part of the Scriptures .

All things are written as a pattern to give an example of things to come. Things in the OT are patterns for the new way of doing things in the NT. Just as the NT has patterns for us to learn that we'll use in the next age.

For instance the pattern of the sacrifices in the OT signifying Jesus' sacrifice once and for all. Marraige in the NT is a pattern for Christ and His bride, teaching us how to submit to the only King.

The new sabbath is the rest spoken of in Hebrews. It's also the land that He's bringing us to. The representation is for future things.Not to be taken literally.
 
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