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<TD vAlign=top>Luke 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor [thy] rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

In the Greek, "suggenos" means kinsman or cousin and sometimes fellow-countryman with adelphos meaning brother.

In the Hebrew, "mowda/moda" or "ga'al" means kinsman or cousin, with "ach" meaning brother.


<P style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.


<P style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">There is no support for any application of the word "sister" having a colloquial equivalent to "kinsman," as is the claim for "brother."


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Luke 14:12
Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor [thy] rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.

There is a passage that refers directly to Elizabeth being the cousin of Mary.

In the Greek, "suggenos" means kinsman or cousin and sometimes fellow-countryman with "adelphos" meaning brother.

In the Hebrew, "mowda/moda" or "ga'al" means kinsman or cousin, with "ach" meaning brother.

Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

There is no support for any application of the word "sister" having a colloquial equivalent to "kinsman," as is the claim for "brother."
 
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Luke 14:12
Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor [thy] rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
There is a passage that refers directly to Elizabeth being the cousin of Mary.

In the Greek, "suggenos" means kinsman or cousin and sometimes fellow-countryman with "adelphos" meaning brother.

In the Hebrew, "mowda/moda" or "ga'al" means kinsman or cousin, with "ach" meaning brother.

Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

There is no support for any application of the word "sister" having a colloquial equivalent to "kinsman," as is the claim for "brother."
 
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That arguement is invalid because the people asking about Christ's 'brothers' were also under the impression that Jesus was the son of Joseph. Which would have indeed made Him the brother of any of Joseph's other sons. And the verse I have reads like this...

Matthew 13:55
"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

Well, first, *no* He isn't the carpenter's son, is He? Catholic Tradition tells us that Joseph was a widower with grown children when he was chosen by the temple priests to care for Mary and take her as 'wife'. Any children of Joseph's would have been Jesus's brothers and sisters in the eyes of the community, because they naturally believed that Jesus's was Joseph's natural son by Mary.

So. No, He wasn't the carpenter's son. Yes, His mother's name was Mary. And, well, if you don't subscribe to Catholic teaching, then the most honest answer you could have for the third part is "I don't know if His brothers are James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas. I don't have enough information."
 
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Is the word for 'brothers' in Luke 8:19...

Now Jesus' mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd.

...the same as the word in Mark 6:3 that you are basing your argument on?

James uses the word 'brother' alot. But I cannot seem to find where he states specifically that he is Christ's brother. Can you help me?
 
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And does 'aldelphoi' mean blood brothers? Or can it mean brothers in the spiritual sense? What word does James use?

Oh, and can you tell me, please, where I can find the passage where James calls himself the brother of Jesus as you mentioned. I can't find it. :)
 
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Brothers in the spiritual sense is quite simply derived from our adoption as sons of God - spiritually, we have the one Father.

And again a tenuous-to-the-vanishing-point possibility. James the brother of Jesus, if it was "brother in the spiritual sense," would cause problems - Paul was identifying a specific person - "brother in the spiritual sense" would result in no possible identification - any disciple named James would fit the bill.
 
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80 adelphos {ad-el-fos'}

from 1 (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb);
TDNT - 1:144,22; n m

AV - brethren 226, brother 113, brother's 6, brother's way 1; 346

1) a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the
same father or mother

2) having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same
people, or countryman
3) any fellow or man
4) a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5) an associate in employment or office
6) brethren in Christ
6a) his brothers by blood
6b) all men
6c) apostles
6d) Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place

God Bless,

Neal
 
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As stated previously, while some tenuous arguments may be raised with regard to the word "brothers" - those same arguments do not apply to the word "sisters"

"adelphe" AV - sister 24; 24
1) a full, own sister
2) one connected by the tie of the Christian religion

Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
 
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Originally posted by Thunderchild
Was Joseph the father of Jesus? If there was only one parent in common, it wasn't the father.

Ahhhhhhhhh, but it was through JOSEPH that Jesus held the claim to the Son of David!

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Peace be with you,

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