Could Jesus be the AC?

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I dont mean the Son of God, but consider this....

There is a problem with the world following the AC if he appears to be evil, power-mongering, etc. The minute he tried to destroy the Temple, or require a symbol in peoples palms, set up a one-world government, etc he would be tagged.

But what if he, in his Luciferian mode, poses as a good man, a man of almost unquestionable piety and goodness?

So here is a very hypothetical scenario...


1) If the Shroud of Turin does indeed have the blood of Jesus on it (and they have enough to test it as AB blood type), and...


2) Someone took a sample of this blood and cloned it into a full person, ...


3) who then grew up as any normal person but with a distinguished pedigree and moral instruction along modern theological schools of thought,


4) I have to ask, would a majority of the worlds people suspend their moral judgement about such a person, given his pedigree, aqnd thus giving the AC the space and presumption needed to pull off the things he is 'supposed' to?
 

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OK, make fun of me, thats ok, I am used to it by now. ;)


But just purely speculatively, what is absurd about finding enough DNA on the Shroud to clone a person/persons from it? The tecnology could be viable in a decade, I would bet.

How would the world regard someone who was cloned from the DNA of Jesus?

And that person would not necesarily have the same moral framework, not at all, especially if raised by a group so amoral as to be willing to clone a person in the first place.

I dunno, but it sounds like a good novel to me; I think I will work on it.

:)
 
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Hmm interesting idea. Even with the constant advancement of technology, I doubt this would be possible and certainly not ethical. If someone attempted to clone Jesus, I can assure you that it simply would not work. For whatever reason, it simply wouldn't happen. Jesus' return to earth is not going to come by the hands of human scientists in their misguided attempts to clone our savior.

On a purely hypothetical level though.....So lets say that indeed scientists were able to produce a clone. It would have none of the characteristics of the true Jesus Christ. Also, think of the reception it would recieve. It wouldn't welcomed anywhere. Around the world, Christians are still being persecuted for their faith in Jesus. What do you think would happen to something claiming to be the clone of Jesus. I would be genuinely supprised if it lived for more than a few days without suffering a horrific death by the hands of a persecutor.

And as Mr. Cheese implied, enjoy your hallucenigenic drugs, but in the future don't mix them with your bible studies.
 
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It"s all possible, I guess, and the AC would certainly have qualities in the nature of being deceptively positive or attractive. Even the DNA idea,... but this is not how the AC is supposed to "get' here, as far as I understand. But don't hold me to it!!!! LOL. ANd CHrist will come back differently, too. That part is...difficult to concieve :scratch: How interesting!! :clap:
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Blackwing said:
Well you have to prove that the shroud of turin is really the burial clothes of Jesus.
Well, I was wanting to take it as an assumption for the sake of the hypothetical question.

But, IMO, it is increasingly looking like the Shroud is the actual burial shroud of Jesus.

There is an ongoing thread in the open apologetics forum on it.
 
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rglencheek said:
I dont mean the Son of God, but consider this....

There is a problem with the world following the AC if he appears to be evil, power-mongering, etc. The minute he tried to destroy the Temple, or require a symbol in peoples palms, set up a one-world government, etc he would be tagged.

But what if he, in his Luciferian mode, poses as a good man, a man of almost unquestionable piety and goodness?

So here is a very hypothetical scenario...


1) If the Shroud of Turin does indeed have the blood of Jesus on it (and they have enough to test it as AB blood type), and...


2) Someone took a sample of this blood and cloned it into a full person, ...


3) who then grew up as any normal person but with a distinguished pedigree and moral instruction along modern theological schools of thought,


4) I have to ask, would a majority of the worlds people suspend their moral judgement about such a person, given his pedigree, aqnd thus giving the AC the space and presumption needed to pull off the things he is 'supposed' to?
I think I saw a movie where this happened!

But I do believe the AC will appear to be good:

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
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Bulldog said:
Do you honestly believe that Jesu is the AC?


Think about that. The Christ being the AntiChrist? Doesn't make much sense to me.
Of course, I dont mean that the Son of God would be the AC.

I was refering to a clone of Jesus taken from a blood sample off the Shroud, if the Shroud is ever proven to be the actual burial Shroud of Christ.

It was just meant to be an interesting conversation topic, not a serious theological proposition.
 
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MOSHIACH or MOSHIACH BEN DAVID - This term refers to the
long-awaited 'messiah' of the Ultra-Orthodox Jews.
The Orthodox Jews are convinced that this person will be a
descendant of the bloodline of King David who was himself of
the tribe of Judah. In other words, Moshiach ben David will
be a flesh Jew of the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. He will be recognized as being a great political,
military and spiritual leader of Israel, similar to King
David of old. According to my understanding, he will be
destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's Coming as per 2
Thessalonians chapter two.

In summing up the qualifications which
the Jewish 'Moshiach' must meet, Jewish orthodoxy states the
following:

1. He must be a direct descendant of the bloodline of King
David.

2. He must be extremely knowledgeable of the Torah. This
includes the Pentateuch, or the five books of the Law of
Moses, as well as the oral tradition which has been
handed down over the centuries. His spiritual leadership
should result in:

a. Renewed interest in and practice of the Torah.

b. Eventual spread of the knowledge and Law of God
throughout the world so that war, hunger and
other human ills will cease.

3. He must prove himself to be an astute political leader
and King of the Jewish nation who will do the following:

a. Encourage Jews from around the world to return to
their homeland of Israel, thus bringing an end to
the 'Diaspora'. (dispersion)

b. Fight and win the wars of Israel subduing her
enemies all around her, thus bringing in an era
of peace.

c. Rebuild the Temple of Solomon on the Temple Mount
in East Jerusalem and re-implement the daily
sacrifice.

As can be seen by the above, from the Jewish perspective,
while Jesus may have fulfilled the first requirement, as
well as part of the second, He 'failed' miserably in all of
the rest.


The AC will be the long awaited Messiah - "MOSHIACH BEN DAVID"
 
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Duke Nukem said:
MOSHIACH or MOSHIACH BEN DAVID - This term refers to the
long-awaited 'messiah' of the Ultra-Orthodox Jews.
The Orthodox Jews are convinced that this person will be a
descendant of the bloodline of King David who was himself of
the tribe of Judah. In other words, Moshiach ben David will
be a flesh Jew of the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob. He will be recognized as being a great political,
military and spiritual leader of Israel, similar to King
David of old. According to my understanding, he will be
destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's Coming as per 2
Thessalonians chapter two.

In summing up the qualifications which
the Jewish 'Moshiach' must meet, Jewish orthodoxy states the
following:

1. He must be a direct descendant of the bloodline of King
David.

2. He must be extremely knowledgeable of the Torah. This
includes the Pentateuch, or the five books of the Law of
Moses, as well as the oral tradition which has been
handed down over the centuries. His spiritual leadership
should result in:

a. Renewed interest in and practice of the Torah.

b. Eventual spread of the knowledge and Law of God
throughout the world so that war, hunger and
other human ills will cease.

3. He must prove himself to be an astute political leader
and King of the Jewish nation who will do the following:

a. Encourage Jews from around the world to return to
their homeland of Israel, thus bringing an end to
the 'Diaspora'. (dispersion)

b. Fight and win the wars of Israel subduing her
enemies all around her, thus bringing in an era
of peace.

c. Rebuild the Temple of Solomon on the Temple Mount
in East Jerusalem and re-implement the daily
sacrifice.

As can be seen by the above, from the Jewish perspective,
while Jesus may have fulfilled the first requirement, as
well as part of the second, He 'failed' miserably in all of
the rest.


The AC will be the long awaited Messiah - "MOSHIACH BEN DAVID"
I agree, the AC will do all of that and probably more. He'll be the "perfect" Messiah from the Jewish perspective. I happened across a web site of a more radical, I think, conservative Jewish sect and it was chilling to read the description of what the Messiah would supposedly be like and do, sounded like a job description for the AC.
 
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rglencheek said:
I dont mean the Son of God, but consider this....

There is a problem with the world following the AC if he appears to be evil, power-mongering, etc. The minute he tried to destroy the Temple, or require a symbol in peoples palms, set up a one-world government, etc he would be tagged.

But what if he, in his Luciferian mode, poses as a good man, a man of almost unquestionable piety and goodness?

So here is a very hypothetical scenario...


1) If the Shroud of Turin does indeed have the blood of Jesus on it (and they have enough to test it as AB blood type), and...


2) Someone took a sample of this blood and cloned it into a full person, ...


3) who then grew up as any normal person but with a distinguished pedigree and moral instruction along modern theological schools of thought,


4) I have to ask, would a majority of the worlds people suspend their moral judgement about such a person, given his pedigree, aqnd thus giving the AC the space and presumption needed to pull off the things he is 'supposed' to?
does a clone have a soul? Hummmmm, a Clone could be a beast:scratch: ;) ;)
 
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Oh for a minute I thought you meant Jesus I was like what a loser like sorry it could happen it did in books but I dunno all I know is if that Shroud of Turin has Jesus' blood then it's a holy thing I mean our Lord's blood could be on that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]! Talk about bitter sweet
 
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