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Ecclesiastes (you know, from the BIBLE as THE WORD) mentioned "meaningless" about 33 times. :D Here are some of the verses.

Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knows what is good for a man in life, during the few and meaningless days he passes through like a shadow? Who can tell him what will happen under the sun after he is gone?

Ecclesiastes 7:15
In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: a righteous man perishing in his righteousness, and a wicked man living long in his wickedness.

Ecclesiastes 11:8
However many years a man may live, let him enjoy them all. But let him remember the days of darkness, for they will be many. Everything to come is meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 11:10
So then, banish anxiety from your heart and cast off the troubles of your body, for youth and vigor are meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 12:8
"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

Such doctrines are vain and meaningless that got into our Christian communities. The reality is this while our disease, old age and death testify sadly that our physical bodies are decaying every day. Our bodies will go back to dust
Or as Dids is trying to point out as you believe you are so shall you be.
 
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Ecclesiastes (you know, from the BIBLE as THE WORD) mentioned "meaningless" about 33 times. :D Here are some of the verses.

Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knows what is good for a man in life, during the few and meaningless days he passes through like a shadow? Who can tell him what will happen under the sun after he is gone?

Ecclesiastes 7:15
In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: a righteous man perishing in his righteousness, and a wicked man living long in his wickedness.

Ecclesiastes 11:8
However many years a man may live, let him enjoy them all. But let him remember the days of darkness, for they will be many. Everything to come is meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 11:10
So then, banish anxiety from your heart and cast off the troubles of your body, for youth and vigor are meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 12:8
"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

Such doctrines are vain and meaningless that got into our Christian communities. The reality is this while our disease, old age and death testify sadly that our physical bodies are decaying every day. Our bodies will go back to dust

If I was sick and in pain in my body, and came on this forum and read nothing but what you and JimM post on this thread, I would be left without hope for any light at the end of the tunnel. Just an exhortation to endure.

Nothing to anchor my soul to and give it hope that I could ever be delivered, and find relief

Thank goodness that I read the Word this morning and it says............."The righteous cry out, the Lord hears, and delivers them from all their troubles."

It exhorts me to "forget not all His benefits, He forgives all my iniquities, He heals all my diseases, and He redeems my life from all my destructions.............."
 
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Sounds like a fallen preacher to me...
^_^

Ecclesiastes is probably not the best place to be formulating doctrine Jim.


Ecclesiastes (you know, from the BIBLE as THE WORD) mentioned "meaningless" about 33 times. :D Here are some of the verses.

Ecclesiastes 6:12
For who knows what is good for a man in life, during the few and meaningless days he passes through like a shadow? Who can tell him what will happen under the sun after he is gone?

Ecclesiastes 7:15
In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: a righteous man perishing in his righteousness, and a wicked man living long in his wickedness.

Ecclesiastes 11:8
However many years a man may live, let him enjoy them all. But let him remember the days of darkness, for they will be many. Everything to come is meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 11:10
So then, banish anxiety from your heart and cast off the troubles of your body, for youth and vigor are meaningless.

Ecclesiastes 12:8
"Meaningless! Meaningless!" says the Teacher. "Everything is meaningless!"

Such doctrines are vain and meaningless that got into our Christian communities. The reality is this while our disease, old age and death testify sadly that our physical bodies are decaying every day. Our bodies will go back to dust
 
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Or as Dids is trying to point out as you believe you are so shall you be.

Yes.. whatever you believe you are, you shall be based on works of reasoning rather than trusting God's allowable circumstances in this world. Faith and Works of thinking of who you are rather than believing who you are in God's view.

People can have faith of fantasy while ignoring the negativity around them. We cannot expect to escape circumstances because they will always happen, one way or another. Spiritual maturity requires great care and a true knowledge of ourselves to distinguish a spiritual burden from irritation around us but at the same time, we cannot close our minds to everything that is happening around us.

Man's doctrine of faith is this: Those who have such faith in suffering are to be blame for unfavorable circumstances. Sickness and disability touch so many of us that we cannot avoid the issue. "Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:16-18

Is OUR FAITH meaningful or meaningless? "Much dreaming and many words are meaningless. Therefore stand in awe of God." (Ecclesiastes 5:7). Do we find ourselves hiding behind phrases and terms which sound spiritual but for you are empty of reality?
 
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Someone once told me I was complicating the clear teaching of the Word.

This is the explanation to "All things are possible to those whoe believe":

Simple, yes. Simplistic, no.

I thought I answered this in a previous post, Dids. But I will give it another try. “All things” is not an unlimited promise without bounds or you could say that if someone believes hard enough they can sprout wings and fly, pray people into heaven against their will, turn aluminum into gold, turn their hair any shade they choose, become the ruler of the universe, would never age, would never die (physically), would never have to work for a living, would never have a problem, would never have their faith tested. Why, if I just believe hard enough, I could get the whole world to heaven without Jesus Christ and I could continue in habitual sin and still be a Christian. All I have to do is have faith because ALL THINGS are possible if I believe. (I know, I am being extreme, reduction ad absudum, but I am showing that the word "All" has some limits to it.)
There are just some things that are impossible, Dids, and they are impossible because God intends for them to be that way. Not everyone can rule the world. Not everyone will go to heaven, no matter how hard you believe they will.

God is not our servant, who moves at our beck and call and obeys our faith, no matter how ludicrous our desires are. Jesus said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible WITH GOD" (Mark 10.27). And there are just some things God does not approve of and there are some prayers God will not answer no matter how much faith you think you can muster up. Without God, nothing is possible. If God does not approve, you might as well kiss your vain desires goodbye. Jesus statement in Mark 10.27 adds balance to His statement in Mark 9.23 or else we could, indeed, sprout wings and fly. We can’t because it is not God’s will that we do. Only “WITH GOD” are “all things” possible or, to state it another, ALL things of which God approves are possible.
So “all things” does not mean “all things” in the comprehensive sense, does it? It means “all things” “with God” and His purposes. Right? So, as it always does, it boils down to God’s will in any given situation and in any prayer.

This is not rocket science, Dids, but it is not as “simple” (i.e., simplistic) as you want to make it. You have to “compare” spiritual things with spiritual things – “These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual” (1 Cor. 2.13), scripture with scripture, taking the Bible as a whole to understand what any remote scripture may say it. You do not (or at least you shouldn’t) build your faith on isolated, selective, and preferred passages of scripture at the expense of the rest of the Bible.




Heck, as this forum sometimes proves, you can take any speech anyone makes and pick-and-choose the words, phrases, and statements they make and come up with anything you want. Every phrase must be interpreted in the context of the entire message.


~Jim

I have posted this in another tread and I see an "opportunity" to post this in this thread. People will view circumstances from human point of view (emotional) while Christians will view circumstances as opportunities in God's point of view. Anyone whoever believe such things is their own prerogative.:D

I have seen differently because I have seen people turn to Christ when they were facing circumstances that woke them up. Life is short. Our temporal mind-set thinks primarily about the things of now and we focus on this world as if it is all there is. As a Christian, those of us who know that this life is only temporary so biblically, we are commanded to better make good use of our life for God's glory regardless what happens. It is foolish to waste time focus on the negative view of suffering because we need to make the best use of our time to impact this world for Jesus while we have the opportunity to use the positive view of suffering. One of my good friend who was a pastor, He died of cancer and during the funeral, over 3,000 people came to respect him and many of them turned to the Lord.

Since no one knows the future, so what do we know what is to come? For we are living today knowing that we will die someday. Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven. There is a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.

Life is full of surprises. The possibilities for tomorrow are usually beyond my expectations. In reality, uncertain future is part of life. I must treat "today is my last day" because tomorrow may not come for me.

God has also given us a wealth of opportunities to use in the Great Commission. An opportunity may be defined as a providential circumstance which permits us to turn ourselves to glorify God. Christ lives His life again through US and continues to live in through US, that God will continue to work, reaching out and through the human instrument to accomplish His wonders among the lost around us.

The enemy of opportunity is preoccupation of doctrines that prevent God's great commission. If anyone wants to do this, that's between the believer and God.

"Therefore as, we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially those who belong to the family of believers" (Galatians 6:10). One thing we may be sure of, however: For the believer all pain has meaning; all adversity is profitable. There is no question that adversity is difficult. It usually takes us by surprise and seems to strike where we are most vulnerable. To us it often appears completely senseless and irrational, but to God none of it is either senseless or irrational. He has a purpose in every pain He brings or allows in our lives. We can be sure that in some way He intends it for our profit and His glory. Jerry Bridges Navigators

By the way, my mother-in-law died yesterday morning at 3:30 of organ failures due to complications of her illness (old age).

Wow. That's a long explanation for such a simple statement. :eek:
 
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If I was sick and in pain in my body, and came on this forum and read nothing but what you and JimM post on this thread, I would be left without hope for any light at the end of the tunnel. Just an exhortation to endure.

Nothing to anchor my soul to and give it hope that I could ever be delivered, and find relief

Thank goodness that I read the Word this morning and it says............."The righteous cry out, the Lord hears, and delivers them from all their troubles."

It exhorts me to "forget not all His benefits, He forgives all my iniquities, He heals all my diseases, and He redeems my life from all my destructions.............."

Understanding the differences between temporal trouble and eternal problems is the key. There are thousands of Christians waking up in pain while those who wakes up without pain are feeling "blessed" by God thinking they are special that nothing around them really matters. :sigh:

We do not need to depend on our faith in doctrine of faith but rather faith in God, His Word and His Character. There is a difference between self-dependency of faith and God-dependency of faith.
 
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Sounds like a fallen preacher to me...
^_^

Ecclesiastes is probably not the best place to be formulating doctrine Jim.

Then take Ecclesiastes out of your Bible. Oh yes, the Book of Job too. :D Doctrines are there. The main point, if its in the Bible, our teachings are to be BALANCED rather than one sided.
 
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Someone once told me I was complicating the clear teaching of the Word.

This is the explanation to "All things are possible to those whoe believe":





Wow. That's a long explanation for such a simple statement. :eek:


A whole lot of "works of thinking" and "doctrine of reasoning" in there!^_^
 
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Then take Ecclesiastes out of your Bible. Oh yes, the Book of Job too. :D Doctrines are there. The main point, if its in the Bible, our teachings are to be BALANCED rather than one sided.

Ya... but you have thrown Jesus out!!!:confused:
:help:

He said what He said:

ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE!
 
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Wow. That's a long explanation for such a simple statement. :eek:

Yep.. some don't take it as simple so explanation in details are needed to make a point. But selective reading will miss some sentences and forget all what was said.;)
 
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Ya... but you have thrown Jesus out!!!:confused:
:help:

He said what He said:

ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU CAN BELIEVE!

That's my point. THE WORD is the WHOLE Bible. Not parts. ALL WHAT God has said in the Bible is what I believe. NOT in parts like some do. :D
 
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A whole lot of "works of thinking" and "doctrine of reasoning" in there!^_^

Faith is being used as an instrument which is a false notion that causes spiritual errors in thinking or reasoning of interpretations (doctrines).;)
 
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"All things are possible to those whoe believe"

1 Corinthians 9:22-24 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

It is either all of Christ or none of Christ! I believe we need to preach again a whole Christ to the world--a Christ who does not need our apologies, a Christ who will not be divided, a Christ who will either be Lord of all or will not be Lord at all! A.W. Tozer

One thing we may be sure of, however: For the believer all pain has meaning; all adversity is profitable. There is no question that adversity is difficult. It usually takes us by surprise and seems to strike where we are most vulnerable. To us it often appears completely senseless and irrational, but to God none of it is either senseless or irrational. He has a purpose in every pain He brings or allows in our lives. We can be sure that in some way He intends it for our profit and His glory. Jerry Bridges
 
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Faith is being used as an instrument which is a false notion that causes spiritual errors in thinking or reasoning of interpretations (doctrines).;)

More "works of thinking" and "doctrines of reasonings."

I thought you were against this????:confused:
 
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That's my point. THE WORD is the WHOLE Bible. Not parts. ALL WHAT God has said in the Bible is what I believe. NOT in parts like some do. :D


Ya, but you do not "balance" the words of Jesus with those of a fallen preacher or the devil or even Job.

Jesus IS the word of God... all else is measured and interpreted by what HE says.... not the other way around!

What Jesus said is not to be "balanced" with anything!
 
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More "works of thinking" and "doctrines of reasonings."

I thought you were against this????:confused:


Confused it is. People will view ALL things as good and everything else BAD. Doctrines (interpretations) are bassed on "point of view".

Define "ALL" in God's point of view, not human point of view. Then you will know what I am talking about. :thumbsup:
 
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Ya, but you do not "balance" the words of Jesus with those of a fallen preacher or the devil or even Job.

Jesus IS the word of God... all else is measured and interpreted by what HE says.... not the other way around!

What Jesus said is not to be "balanced" with anything!

Balanced is another view. People don't want balance. People something GOOD for themselves. ;)

A true Christian zeal is not based on works but proves only that the one who manifests it is healthy, balanced, energetic and actively interested in serving God's will with Spirit-Filled fruits (not works). Looking around and seeing Christian's attitudes and seeing their obvious motives that others may think they are right when in fact reality it is not. ALL THINGS are everything which includes BAD as well as GOOD. God is good in ALL things. ALL basically means ALL (not parts).
 
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Define "ALL" in God's point of view, not human point of view. Then you will know what I am talking about. :thumbsup:
Jim M said earlier in the thread that we should use the English language.

Now, you're saying we need to redefine the word "ALL".

This is so confusing..

:confused:
 
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God is good in ALL things. ALL basically means ALL (not parts).
Well now I'm completely confused.

Here you say ALL does mean ALL, but you JUST said in your prior post that ALL did not necessarily mean ALL??

:confused:
 
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Confused it is. People will view ALL things as good and everything else BAD. Doctrines (interpretations) are bassed on "point of view".

Define "ALL" in God's point of view, not human point of view. Then you will know what I am talking about. :thumbsup:

I know what you are talking about... but I wonder why you are talking aobut yourself???^_^
 
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