Is the United States of America in Bible Prophecy?

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capnator said:
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.


That's america in prophecy.

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Beloved brethren,

It seems we are close to being single minded.
I have in the past erroniously seconded the notion that America is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.
Shame on me, I should have known better than to make such a statement.

JERUSALEM of JUDAH ,and her crual LEVITES is THE GREAT harlot, that has built her EGYPTION house of Soddems' SIN in every city on earth.

If you are in a city now as you read you are in JUDIA at this moment.

A very good friend and brother in the Lord has just returned to the United States after having been invited by the State department to bring entertainment and perform at the G8 Conferance in Moscow and St.Petersburg.

Everyone he talked to from waiters and maids to Putin and Gorbacheve spoke of the US as the UNITED STATES OF ISRAEL, I.E. JUDIA, JERUSALEM

With love in Christ
brother daniel
 
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Mathew 23v33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the TEMPLE and the altar.
 
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brother daniel said:
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Beloved brethren,

It seems we are close to being single minded.
I have in the past erroniously seconded the notion that America is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT.
Shame on me, I should have known better than to make such a statement.

JERUSALEM of JUDAH ,and her crual LEVITES is THE GREAT harlot, that has built her EGYPTION house of Soddems' SIN in every city on earth.

If you are in a city now as you read you are in JUDIA at this moment.

A very good friend and brother in the Lord has just returned to the United States after having been invited by the State department to bring entertainment and perform at the G8 Conferance in Moscow and St.Petersburg.

Everyone he talked to from waiters and maids to Putin and Gorbacheve spoke of the US as the UNITED STATES OF ISRAEL, I.E. JUDIA, JERUSALEM

With love in Christ
brother daniel
I always enjoy your posts....

At the time of John's vision, the beast that Mystery Babylon sat upon was not. The beasts of the earth come and go and it is understood they are kingdoms. Mystery Babylon then would not be a kingdom or kingdoms.

Rev 17
8.The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.



She has been, while kingdoms come and go.

18: And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


She is not peoples, multitudes or nations . There was a revolt against this ancient power, that was not peoples, kings or nations that have come and gone before.

15: And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16: And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

She has made wealth but was not the merchants. She was loved but she deceived and slaugtered.

Rev 18

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

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18: And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
19: And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
20: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
21: And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22: And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23: And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


I think is Banks, money or possibly even earthly law. It is something that appears good but is evil and deceitful. It was something even the kings obeyed because she ruled them.

Love in Christ....
 
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How do you know that the US will even exist when our Lord returns? Empires are transient things, they come and they go. That includes the US.

There are many things said in the bible that leads me to believe that the United States will be the last Super Power on earth.

The Prophecies of Daniel and REvelation are there for a reason, the same way that the prophecies of the Messiah were there, so that when it happens you can see it.

Unfortunately, spiritual israel will do the same thing as literal israel, and that is they will be caught unawares when Christ comes the 2nd time.

That is why i suggest we all do a prayful, earnest study of the Prophecies that directly talks about Christ 2nd coming, Revelation.

If you don't take my word for it, Takes Jesus word for it, because he said that people shall be blessed when people understand the words of this prophecy.

And to Zadok, are you just trying to get more post counts by just putting laughing faces as though you mock at us for believing in something? Perhaps we should do as the bereans do, hear the word with all readiness in mind, and search the scriptures daily, whether these things were so.

I wonder, did Jesus ever laugh at the pharisees when the pharisees believed in the wrong things?
 
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I dont believe America is specifically mentioned in prophecy, but what i see is that, there is a power that looms over the "end times" and I beleive that power to be the US.

Gog and Magog and the King of the North will fight (Eze 38 and 39 and Dan 11:40ff) and my sense is that the US will defeat the winner of that battle. I cant prove it by anything, but from my knowledge of scripture and history that is what my gut tells me.
 
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The harlot is clearly a metaphor of Lucifer/Satan, who not only is worshipped in most of the worlds religions, but also is the God of the Age ruling and defining the broad social order, including commerce. Babylon is a term used to describe this worldwide system. In the last days it will be manifested in a powerful Church-State alliance.
 
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richardhperry said:
Description of Mystery Babylon the Great:
  • She is called a prostitute. God refers to his people as a prostitute when they chase after other gods. (See Jeremiah 2, Ezekiel 16 and Hosea 9).
I'm glad we spotted the error in the very first bullet point. America can't be called a prostitute, because America is not "His people". America is a country with Christians in it, just like The Netherlands, Canada, or South Korea. I understand South Korea has a very large percentage of Christians in it. God never made a commitment to America (like He did to Israel, for example).

I know there are some who will claim that America is the new Israel. I think such claims are a real stretch.
 
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OhhJim said:
I know there are some who will claim that America is the new Israel. I think such claims are a real stretch.

Israel is wherever the 10 northern tribes are. Regardless of what land they are on, it is Israel. Nothing "new" about it.
 
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interpreter said:
IMO, the USA is the 5th horseman. The US was founded by George Washington who rode a pale horse.

Mystery Babylon which sits on 7 hills and many waters is Moscow which sits on 7 hills and 5 seas. Washington DC does not sit on 7 hills and many seas and is not in the east.

Barry
It has nothing to do with water. The waters are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 17

15: And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 
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OhhJim said:
I'm glad we spotted the error in the very first bullet point. America can't be called a prostitute, because America is not "His people". America is a country with Christians in it, just like The Netherlands, Canada, or South Korea. I understand South Korea has a very large percentage of Christians in it. God never made a commitment to America (like He did to Israel, for example).

I know there are some who will claim that America is the new Israel. I think such claims are a real stretch.

On the contrary. A strong case can be made for America as the latter day 'Northern Kingdom' that was taken captive by Assyria. Using prophecy, typology, the material portion of the Abrahamic promises, end-time descriptions of all the tribes, history of US, Britian, etc. A study of British-Israelism reveals compelling arguements.
 
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Early indicators seem to point to Jerusalam as Babylon the great, though Tyre looks like a close match with other scripture as well.


Rev 18v1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication,
and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more
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12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her! for in one hour is she made desolate.
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
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And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee
: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.



Mathew 23v33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth
, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate


Jer 7v34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the VOICE OF mirth, and the VOICE OF gladness, the VOICE OF the bridegroom, and the VOICE OF the bride: for the land shall be desolate

Jer 25v9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
10 Moreover I will take from them the VOICE OF mirth, and the VOICE OF gladness, the VOICE OF the bridegroom, and the VOICE OF the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.
11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years
 
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On the contrary. A strong case can be made for America as the latter day 'Northern Kingdom' that was taken captive by Assyria. Using prophecy, typology, the material portion of the Abrahamic promises, end-time descriptions of all the tribes, history of US, Britian, etc. A study of British-Israelism reveals compelling arguements.

If you have to use prophecy, typology, the material portion of the Abrahamic promises, end-time descriptions of all the tribes, history of the US and Britain, etc. (what is the "etc." and how many books does it fill?) then, like I said, it's a stretch. I see no reason to squint, turn my head sideways, and stand on my head in order to see the truth.
 
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OhhJim said:
If you have to use prophecy, typology, the material portion of the Abrahamic promises, end-time descriptions of all the tribes, history of the US and Britain, etc. (what is the "etc." and how many books does it fill?) then, like I said, it's a stretch. I see no reason to squint, turn my head sideways, and stand on my head in order to see the truth.

Then you have to be content with the literal meaning of scripture.
 
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Then you have to be content with the literal meaning of scripture.

Are you claiming that America is "God's chosen people"? I'd have thought that if God were to choose America, He'd have given some sort of sign that's fairly straightforward. He wasn't real shy about letting Abram know His intentions. Has God promised America some land, too, like he did to Abraham?
 
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OhhJim said:
Are you claiming that America is "God's chosen people"? I'd have thought that if God were to choose America, He'd have given some sort of sign that's fairly straightforward. He wasn't real shy about letting Abram know His intentions. Has God promised America some land, too, like he did to Abraham?

Americans generally don't comprehend that this land fulfills the Abrahamic promises of national wealth. The land of Palestine never did. Of course we are losing those blessings and headed for destruction because of idolatry (money being the idol this time around).
 
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