How Did E.W. Kenyon Die? What Was the Cause of Death?

genesis2v17 said:

I believe E.W. Kenyon to be an anointed man of God, [I just love his book Two Kinds of Faith] but I saw a website yesterday from the Pharisaical sect of Christianity, that said that he died of a tumor or something. And also, it was claimed that Kathryn Kuhlman died of something like this too. And worse: I heard Derek Prince had manic depression! Are these accusations true, and are the Pharisee Christians have a point in using these things to discredit their teachings?

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genesis2v17 said:

I believe E.W. Kenyon to be an anointed man of God, [I just love his book Two Kinds of Faith] but I saw a website yesterday from the Pharisaical sect of Christianity, that said that he died of a tumor or something. And also, it was claimed that Kathryn Kuhlman died of something like this too. And worse: I heard Derek Prince had manic depression! Are these accusations true, and are the Pharisee Christians have a point in using these things to discredit their teachings?

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victoryword said:

I do agree with a lot of what Oscarr said (in content). However, my friend, Joe McIntyre has an excellent book on Kenyon. You can get it at Amazon.com for a good price. In this book, McIntyre deals with the controversial issue surrounding Kenyon's death.

Yes, people will attack these men in order to make them appear to be hypocrites. Here is the thought behind making an issue of any "faith teacher/healer" who died of a sickness:

So and so taught that healing is in the atonement and taught that one is guaranteed to receive healing by faith, yet so-and-so died from a disease, therefore, their doctrine is false.

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It's no longer a matter of "what sayeth the BIBLE" but it is "proof or disproof of doctrine by circumstances." They cannot refute the truth of divine healing by taking the Scripture in its plain teaching because Scripture in its plain teaching makes it clear that God heals and it is His will to heal anyone who comes to Him. So their only recourse is to take the lives of men who taught exactly what the Bible said on this, find a flaw in them or something in which they did not completely measure up to what the BIBLE says, and then exploit this as proof that the teaching is supposed to be false.

It's indeed a shame but one's zeal to prove their powerless theology and make the plain biblical teaching of another look false often takes precedence over what the Word of God teaches.

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Godown said:

Good post.

The Word is true regardless of how men die. I don't try to explain why some great teachers of faith die from sickness and disease, but they do.

I had a Preacher lay his hands on me, miraculously healing my back, but this Preacher wore coke bottle thick glasses. My mind reasoned that if he had the anointing to heal my back, then why couldn't he receive healing for his own eyes. I don't know the answer why he couldn't receive healing for his eyes, but my back was still healed.

The answer could be different in each persons case because we don't know what is really going on in another's heart, but God will use who He chooses to use, whether it makes sense to us or not. God didn't tell me to believe in another man's health, or failed health, but rather to believe His Word!

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victoryword said:

Amen Bro

Your post made me think about Elisha (Elijah's successor). Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah, including raising a boy from the dead. Yet, he died of a disease. The funny part is that there was still so much anointing resident in his bones that when they threw a dead man in his grave, the dead man came back to life. Isn't that something?

Why is it that Elijah was so anointed that God could use him to heal, but he died of a disease. Why is it that Elijah's anointing did not save him from death, yet, after he was dead, his anointed body could still raise someone from the dead?

Interesting ....

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victoryword said:

One other thing: Has anyone been able to disprove the fact that both Smith Wigglesworth and F. F. Bosworth died without sickness?

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didaskalos said:

It is either a failure on our part to accurately present the teaching... or it is an intentional effort by those opposing faith to drum up some negative propaganda.
I suspect it is mostly the later.

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victoryword said:

I do agree with a lot of what Oscarr said (in content). However, my friend, Joe McIntyre has an excellent book on Kenyon. You can get it at Amazon.com for a good price. In this book, McIntyre deals with the controversial issue surrounding Kenyon's death.

Yes, people will attack these men in order to make them appear to be hypocrites. Here is the thought behind making an issue of any "faith teacher/healer" who died of a sickness:

So and so taught that healing is in the atonement and taught that one is guaranteed to receive healing by faith, yet so-and-so died from a disease, therefore, their doctrine is false.

​

It's no longer a matter of "what sayeth the BIBLE" but it is "proof or disproof of doctrine by circumstances." They cannot refute the truth of divine healing by taking the Scripture in its plain teaching because Scripture in its plain teaching makes it clear that God heals and it is His will to heal anyone who comes to Him. So their only recourse is to take the lives of men who taught exactly what the Bible said on this, find a flaw in them or something in which they did not completely measure up to what the BIBLE says, and then exploit this as proof that the teaching is supposed to be false.

It's indeed a shame but one's zeal to prove their powerless theology and make the plain biblical teaching of another look false often takes precedence over what the Word of God teaches.

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victoryword said:

Amen Bro

Your post made me think about Elisha (Elijah's successor). Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah, including raising a boy from the dead. Yet, he died of a disease. The funny part is that there was still so much anointing resident in his bones that when they threw a dead man in his grave, the dead man came back to life. Isn't that something?

Why is it that Elijah was so anointed that God could use him to heal, but he died of a disease. Why is it that Elijah's anointing did not save him from death, yet, after he was dead, his anointed body could still raise someone from the dead?

Interesting ....

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victoryword said:

Amen Bro

Your post made me think about Elisha (Elijah's successor). Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah, including raising a boy from the dead. Yet, he died of a disease. The funny part is that there was still so much anointing resident in his bones that when they threw a dead man in his grave, the dead man came back to life. Isn't that something?

Why is it that Elijah was so anointed that God could use him to heal, but he died of a disease. Why is it that Elijah's anointing did not save him from death, yet, after he was dead, his anointed body could still raise someone from the dead?
Interesting ....

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From Glory to Glory said:

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Objection: Elisha did miracles, yet died of an illness
"Now Elisha was fallen sick of the sickness whereof he died..." -- 2 Kings 13:14.
Let's do a little Bible arithmetic. (If you hate math, feel free to skip this paragraph.) Elisha was called during the reign of Ahab. Let's assume that he was 20 years old at the time; he was obviously grown up already. Ahab ruled for 22 years (1 Kings 16:19). We know that Elisha's call could not have been closer than 3 years to either end of his reign because of the drought before Elisha's call and the three warless years after it. Assume for the sake of argument that Elisha was called in the 11th year of his reign (we'll split the difference). Ahab's son Ahaziah replaced him and reigned for 2 years (1 Kings 22:51). Jehoram succeeded Ahaziah and reigned for 12 years (2 Kings 3:1). His replacement, Jehu, reigned for 28 years (2 Kings 10:36). His replacement, Jehoahaz, reigned for 17 years (2 Kings 13:1). His replacement, Jehoash, reigned for 16 years. Elisha talked with Jehoash, so he was still alive then. If we split this down the middle and assume that this talk happened in the eighth year, we would estimate Elisha's age at his death as 20+11+2+12+28+17+8 years. Just so that you don't have to activate the Windows calculator, that adds up to 98 years old, assuming that he died fairly soon after he got sick. For that time, that was a stupendously long life. Perhaps if you dig a little deeper than I did, you could narrow down Elisha's age a little bit more. Let's compute the bare minimum. Say that he was 15 years old when he was called, and that he was called 3 years from the end of Ahab's reign, and that he and Jehoash talked right after he became king. He age at death would still be 15+3+11+2+12+28+17+0 years, or 88. That is the minimum.
So Elisha outlived his contemporaries and had to be 90-ish when he died. That's not bad!
It is unscholarly to claim that Elisha's illness proves that healing is not available to all. Elisha indeed died of an illness even though he was used to bring healing to others. What does this prove? If you look at Elisha's life, it proves that obedience will keep you alive a good long time!
At this point, Elisha may simply have wanted to go on to his reward rather than be healed. When you get to be that age, you don't have to stay here if you don't want to. You can believe for healing, but someone who is ready to die may not have much incentive to do so. Elisha was certainly old enough to have a right to do that without it being a blemish on healing ministry. If anything, we can prove that Elisha got to reap what he sowed in terms of health in his body.
There is no record that Elisha asked to be healed. Therefore, you cannot use Elisha to "prove" that God may refuse a request for healing! To prove that, you would have to come up with a couple of cases in the Bible where someone actually asked God for healing and was denied. Have fun looking.
In fact, let's turn this objection on its head. Elisha lived with such an anointing in him that a man was raised from the dead when his body touched Elisha's bones after he died. Therefore, this anointing was in him throughout his life after Elijah was taken up. This makes a good case for the statement that the anointing lengthens your life!
It is true that some ministers who held healing crusades have died of illnesses before their time. That was not God's will, but it has happened. This does not prove that the message they preach was untrue, any more than the gospel is untrue just because some famous preacher shacks up with his girlfriend. As repeatedly stated here, you get doctrine from the Word, not people's experiences!

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iafic said:

And this thread is awesome!!!! I agree with all of you, and concerning the above...I had testified a few months back on this forum about two people from my church, just laying down on the alter and going home to be with the Lord. Phil halverson being one (in whom you will hear billey Brim talk about a lot.) he was on stage and we were all praying, and he kept saying "two months two months. home free, two months." And two months later, in yet another corporate prayer time, he just fell over. Gave up the ghost. this is all on audio tape...

he was in his 70's and in absolute perfect health.

another older lady, did the same thing. She was up on stage and just layed down. Billey Brim wants to hang around on our stage when she is finished with her work here. she thinks we have some tunnel from our stage to Heaven

I also believe that many who do die of complications, are just ready to go, as mentioned. Old, tired, done and wanna be with the Lord. Think of Paul's struggle. he said I am stuck in a bind, wanting to go home to be with the Lord or staying here for your sake. IMHO i think that at any persecution moment he experienced, stoneings, whatever, he could've decided to depart.

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Oscarr said:

Someone who is offended at a healing preacher being himself sick is spending too much time looking at the creature than the Creator.

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