Should Christians support Israel?

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First let me start off by saying the Jews are not God's chosen people. Christians are God's chosen.

As for Israel, we should be neutral towards it. When they do wrong we shouldn't hesitate to condemn their actions, and when they do right we shouldn't hesitate to praise them. Just because they are Jewish doesn't mean we should condone their immoral actions.

Panzerschreck said:

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So, in your opinion, should Christians support the Chosen People?

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What dose the Bible say ?

Julie said:

Yes, according to Gods word, Christians should pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

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Supporting Isreal starting wars is hardly the way to bring peace to Jerusalem.

Jesus prophised war for Jerusalem, punishment from God to the Jews for killing Jesus. "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written." This came to pass in 70AD.

Do you really think we should pray that God's will NOT be done? Don't you think it's evil to try to undo God's will?

The Jerusalem that you should pray for peace for is the spiritual Jerusalem, mentioned in Revelation. The physical Jerusalem is called Sodom, in Revelation.

Israel does not deserve peace nor will it ever have peace until it turns from its wickedness.

Ok. This, to me, is the weird part.

So many people are split between the Christians and the Jews being the chosen people. I've always been told that the Jews always have been God's chosen people because changing it to Christians would break God's covenant with Abraham. Can anyone who is anti-Israel or anti-Jewish please explain to me this part in detail of what you believe about that situation? Might really help me clear things up.

Harpuia said:

Ok. This, to me, is the weird part.

So many people are split between the Christians and the Jews being the chosen people. I've always been told that the Jews always have been God's chosen people because changing it to Christians would break God's covenant with Abraham. Can anyone who is anti-Israel or anti-Jewish please explain to me this part in detail of what you believe about that situation? Might really help me clear things up.

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God's covenant with Abraham has been perfected. There is no longer an "Old Covenant." It has been fulfilled through Christ by way of the New Covenant. The Jews no longer have an Old Covenant to cling to, nor a promise to hope for.

Letalis said:

First let me start off by saying the Jews are not God's chosen people. Christians are God's chosen.

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Nonono, I think you got that wrong - messianic Buddists are God's chosen people!

People should form their own opinions about whether they will support something/someone or not. Think for yourself and don't let others tell you whom to support, or not!

Harpuia said:

So many people are split between the Christians and the Jews being the chosen people. I've always been told that the Jews always have been God's chosen people because changing it to Christians would break God's covenant with Abraham. Can anyone who is anti-Israel or anti-Jewish please explain to me this part in detail of what you believe about that situation? Might really help me clear things up.

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God has not broken his covenant with Abraham. The covenant has always been with Abraham's spiritual children, not his physical children. God's covenant is with God's people, and always has been.

The Apostle Paul directly addresses your question in Romans 9:6It is not as though God's word had failed [it's not as if God has broken his covenant with Abraham]. For not all who are descended from Israel [children of Jacob, including Jews] are Israel [God's people]. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring."

Peter 2:9But you [Christians] are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Ephesians 211Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

John 8:39"Abraham is our father," they [Jews] answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father [Satan] does."

[bible]Romans 11[/bible]

Letalis said:

First let me start off by saying the Jews are not God's chosen people. Christians are God's chosen.

As for Israel, we should be neutral towards it. When they do wrong we shouldn't hesitate to condemn their actions, and when they do right we shouldn't hesitate to praise them. Just because they are Jewish doesn't mean we should condone their immoral actions.

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Great post! I totally agree with all of this.

Smart guy for only being 17.

This thread is comedy.

Should Christians buy peaches?

Israel is an anti-christ nation.

Christian evangelism is illegal in the modern nation-state of pseudo-Israel.

http://www.imb.org/core/story.asp?LanguageID=1709&StoryID=55
http://www.al-bushra.org/ecu-inter/christian.html
http://home.att.net/~rivey/IsraelUpdate.htm

DENIAL OF ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP TO MESSIANIC JEWS
News Network International reports the Israeli Interior Ministry responded to an Israeli Supreme Court ruling in September 1992 which held that "openly-professed belief in Jesus is enough to render a born-Jew 'a member of another religion,' and thus not eligible under Israel's immigration law for automatic citizenship in the Jewish state" by ordering Messianic Jews to leave Israel by January 1994.32 Parliament introduced legislation to "grant permanent residency to anyone whose first-degree relative is already an Israeli citizen."33 Perhaps prodded by the bill, Interior officials issued tourist visas to Messianic Jews currently residing in Israel until Parliament develops a legislative solution to the crisis.34
Avi Granot, head of the Department of Church and Ethnic Affairs for the Israeli Embassy, admitted in a Network News International article that "the major conflict with the Messianic Jews is in us viewing them as Christians, while they view themselves as Jews."35 Although 4,000 Messianic Jews currently live in Israel, support the government and serve in the Israeli Armed Forces, Israel refuses to grant Messianic Jews "automatic Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return."36 Granot argues that the reason for Israel's policy is that "Judaism views itself as a separate religion from Christianity, not the source of Christianity, but a separate religion, both stemming from the same root, but two independent trees."37

from http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/rihand/Israel.html

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Messianic Jews persecuted in Israel, seen as impure
By DAVID ROACH
Baptist Press

Published February 17, 2005

JERUSALEM (BP)—Anti-Christian groups regularly vandalize billboards rented by the church Meno Kalisher leads. Opponents recently organized a campaign to spread false rumors about Kalisher’s moral integrity among his neighbors. Kalisher even believes his opponents have tapped believers’ telephones on occasion in order to monitor their conversations.
When help from law enforcement officials is sought, they refuse to get involved, thus giving tacit approval to religious persecution, Kalisher said.

from http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/3874.article

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http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

KJV Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 2:29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

KJV Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

KJV Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Nothing but evil has come to America for supporting Israel.

US support for Isreal was one of the motivations for the 9/11 attack, where nearly 3000 Americans were killed. Isreal didn't even share pre-9/11 intelligence with us! Financial support of Israel costs American taxpayers billions of dollars every year. Many Americans have died in conflicts for Israel, including over 200 Americans in one blast in Lebanon; including a sustined Isreali attack on the USS Liberty; etc. Isreali interests were at the heart of President Bush pushing WMD claims to raise support for war with Iraq, a war that has cost the lives of over 2500 Americans, and turned up no hidden WMDs. Israel even shelters from America murderers and other criminals who flee the US to Israel - you'd think American money would have at least bought an extradition agreement - but all we get from Israel is their middle finger.

Kalanit said:

HaShem will bless those who bless Israel.

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[chuckle]Let's see you make a case that American Christians and the United States have been blessed for supporting Israel.[/chuckle]

I've made a case for the US being cursed for supporting Israel (see my previous message). If your prediction is false, then maybe your interpretation of the evidence is wrong (your interpretation of the evidence, the Bible, has already been refuted in this thread).

That's pretty simple to me. I would not be caught dead or alive with anti-semetic remarks on my tongue or in my heart.

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I haven't badmouthed any Arabs, just spoke some truth about a hostile state. Wait, you mean "anti-jew" and "anti-Israel", not "anti-semetic."

Those who are Christian and Anti-Semetic (is that even possible?)

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Christianity, by your definition of "anti-semitic", is anti-semitic. How is it possible to be antichrist (zionist) and Christian?

are a direct threat to me and my family. In the past- they have dragged families like mine into the streets and murdered them... in the name of their 'god'...

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So, because I don't worship the state of Israel, I'm a murderer?

How can you be a Believer and tolerate racism? How can you stand before a Holy G-d and tell Him you hated His chosen ones? How can you face Yeshua- the Jew- and tell Him your feeling concerning the Jews?

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Utter hypocrisy. How do you ask how we can tolerate racism when you think a certain race is better than all the other races. You take offense to us precisely because we aren't racist.

Poke is correct. Please examine the following evidence.

Attack on U.S.S. Liberty

On June 8, 1967, Israeli aircraft attacked the USS Liberty, which was operated by the U.S. Navy and the U.S. National Security Agency while sailing in international waters off the Gaza Strip. The attack killed 34 sailors and injured 172 more. Press reports of the time repeated official claims the attack was an accident in which two missiles were inadvertently launched at a suspected Egyptian freighter during the Six Day War.

from http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=USS_Liberty

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http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/23/liberty.attack/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_attack_on_USS_Liberty

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Sun_bamford.htm


Operation Northwoods

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba.

from http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

I think it's up to the individual Christian whether they want to support Israel or not. I personally don't support their actions.

Panzerschreck said:

As a Christian living in Malaysia, there are a lot of critics on Israel.The Muslims here sure dislike the Jews, and Americans, of course. A Chinese like me don't really care about who is anti-semite or who is pro-US, but I think I am starting to hate the Zionist Regime and the American Foriegn policy. So, in your opinion, should Christians support the Chosen People?

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Why would you hate Israel? The term 'Palestinians' didn't even exist until 1967 --twenty years after Israel was restored. Israel was a sovereign state roughly 3000 years ago and it has been restored. Israel has shown that if you give it peace, it will give you land. This is apparent from the return of the Sinai penninsula to Egypt, the evacuation of the Gaza strip, and the return of the north lands to Lebanon. The violence in the middle east will stop in ONLY one of two ways:
A) Israel is destroyed
B) Muslims stop hating Jews.