Are All Baptists Thought To Be Calvinists?

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Well, one thing I've figured out real quick since becoming a baptist, is that the only thing you can say that all baptists agree on is believers baptism by immersion. After that the different beliefs are staggering. I became calvinist right around the same time I start calling myself baptist, but I honestly thought that calvinism was a real minority in the baptist churches. Go figure.


I'd like to add also that I don't really have a real problem with those who consider themselves arminian, only with those who are totally opposed to any sort of calvinism and those who seek to discredit it constantly. I believe that one can be arminian or calvinistic and still be a good christian. I've just come to believe that TULIP best represents soteriology. I actually think that most people who consider themselves arminian are closer to calvinists in thought anyway, once the trees are cleared and we each see the other more clearly. :)
 
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Menno Simmons was reformed in his theology, as were his followers.

The Baptists in early America (including those that founded Rhode Island in the days of the Puritans) were reformed in their theology.

I think it's easy for us to forget that those of the reformed persuasion were the majority until the nineteenth century, especially in Baptist life. Before modernism influenced our theology.

The thing is that Baptists are diverse specifically because they are not usually a confessional people. (Of course that can be argued to pieces.)

A quote from a friend just now:
I didn't realize Baptists were labeled Calvinists, I thought they were all labeled as rolling dispensationalists that listen to southern gospel.
 
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eutychus said:
A quote from a friend just now:
I didn't realize Baptists were labeled Calvinists, I thought they were all labeled as rolling dispensationalists that listen to southern gospel.
^_^ ;) :thumbsup:
 
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Most of my life, I have been members of Baptist and AnaBaptist. I have struggled Calvinsm and Arminian. In regarding to Salvation....Reading Hebrews 6:4-6, "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance" helped me understand the balance between Calvinism and Arminian. Calvinsts will view these words differently than the Arminians, at the same time both will be "consciously" reason the verses as how they have been taught. Both do understand the verses exactly what has been taught that they mean. The bottom line is this: The meaning of the verses will appear to them so natural that they will not agree with each other. Which sadly that each will more than likely think the other a hypocrite or heresy that were taught from the devil.

Every Christian must decide whether they will us their liberty to decide on their moral decisions. We are free, but our freedom must prove a source of real temptation of this world. We are free from the chains of sin because by grace we are saved by Christ that we are forgiven. It is God's gift that we have the complete spiritual freedom and loving dependence upon one another. The mystery of our free will is too easy because when God said to Adam and Eve: "Thou shalt not eat from this tree." Here was a divine requirement calling for obedience on the part of those who had the power of choice and will. They had only ONE commandment.

The potter (God) is working with this soft, yielding clay (us). If this clay does not submit, the potter may not be able to do what I should do according to His will. The potter still could make anything except for useful and beautiful (spiritual fruitful) out of an unyielding blob of clay. If God is going to make those kinds of vessels out of clay (us), however, we are going to have to yield to the spiritual law of surrender. Give ourselves to God as a living sacrifice and let Him have us--all of us. Of course at the same time, I understand that God, just because He is almighty, needs no support from me and He is still able to do what He wills to do. Often I noticed that the providential of God leads me to what I call "coincidences" in my life which perhaps God will make sure that His wills will be done at His right time and place. There are two worlds, set over against each other, dominated by two wills, the will of man (me) and the will of God, respectively.

Whose Will have more power?

Of course, God.

He directs our lives no matter what we do.

Sovereign God is the absolute, infinite, unqualified ruler in all realms in heaven, earth and sea. God governs the world (Isa. 40:22-24), the nations (Isa. 40:15-17), and us (Proverbs 16:9). We have freewill completely and God will only interfere when needed simply because God is in control and He will allow us to have freewill only if its according to His will. The "freewill" is always subject to God's sovereignty and His divine freewill. The key is that God is ALWAYS in control even in our own freewill. All circumstances are work for heavenly good and called to His purpose. Even though we can not see the purpose for the trials we are going through, we can trust absolutely that the Lord is in control of all things. Every trial in our life is a furrow being plowed by the Lord, that we grow in faith, and learn to trust ever more confidently in the Lord.

Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

Proverbs 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.

Jeremiah 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps.

Romans 8:27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

The bottom line: I am more into Calvinism theology more than I am into Arminianism theology.
 
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mesue said:
I see this a lot and wonder why? I neither consider myself Calvinist nor Armenian. And
Why do I have to be one or the other?
Why can't I be a Bible believing Christian?

Well considering yourself neither is a bit irrelavant really, I'm fairly certain that John Calvin didn't consider himself a Calvinist, or did Jacob Arminius consider himself an Arminian, but you can see how that point kind of makes itself

Well we don't have to be either one, but when you boil it all down, you normally are one or the other or a bit of both. That's the problem with having beliefs, they tend to define what we "believe".

Well you are a Bible Believing Christian, and so are all Calvinists and Arminians, it's hard to throw the Bible out of the discussion, and I've never heard of a Calvinistic Buddhist or a Arminian Taoist.

It has been my observation that many folks that profess to "just" believe the Bible could not define Calvinism or Arminanism, but upon examination they are one or the other, most lean towards Arminianism even if they don't know what it is.

Hey, why no mention of Pelagianism? I'm sure their are many around, but for some reason they never identify themselves as such.


Why do many people consider Baptists to be default Calvinists? They are un/misinformed, they learn Baptists generally hold to Eternal Security and equate that with Calvinism.


I have heard all Baptists are right handed, it must be true.......................
 
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eutychus said:
Menno Simmons was reformed in his theology, as were his followers.

^_^

Yeah, um, do you have anything to back this statement up? I've never heard anything even remotely close to this. Please don't put Simons and Calvin in the same category. Neither would like it:doh:

In fact, Calvin wrote a diatribe against the anabaptists, forget what the work was called, but it's pretty caustic.
 
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There has been a lot said on this thread about the Southern Baptist Convention churches, so I'll not belabor the point. I am a member of a Southern Baptist church, a denomination that has taken a steadfast stand for biblical literalism, against homosexuality, and "experiential faith" as expressed by many of our charismatic/pentacostal brethern in ever-increasing fervancy over the last several years. I approve heartily of all these things.

But to stand two Southern Baptists side by side, for example, would be an exercise in futility, because you wouldn't find the level of common ground you might expect. There would be for most part complete agreement on the basic tenets of doctrine, of course. But how that is put into practice, what the application of biblical truth looks like in a typical Christian life, even what version of the Bible to use on a regular basis, would be open for discussion, and most likely, disagreement.

It is impossible to say any two Baptists will agree that they are basically Calvinist, literalist, even pretrib/premillenial. By the way, the SBC is decidely not Calvinist as a denomination, though there may be individual congregations that would view themselves as such. The same kind of disparity within a single church could be found in any two Presbyterians, any two Lutherans (try comparing a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran and a Missouri Synod Lutheran), or even any two Catholics. The understanding of a denominational position is as diverse as the number of people of that denomination you could ask.

The disparaging remarks I've seen on this thread about people being "Bible believing Christians" borders on sinful. The fact is, many modern Christians place their faith in their church and not in Christ. The remarks of that type I've seen bear that out, though I'm not saying that was the intent or the opinion of the poster who said something. I could be comfortable in a Presyterian Church of America congregation, or a Missouri Synod Lutheran church. I'd just have to swallow my tongue when they baptized a baby. I could even be at ease in some American Baptist Churches, mostly here in the Midwest where biblical truth is still largely upheld, instead of being shoved aside for political correctness. I have enjoyed worship in a couple Free Methodist services, where the preaching and fellowship is as biblical as I've seen anywhere.

The point is, don't judge a book by its cover. I'm equally certain I could walk into an SBC congregation somewhere I wonder what on earth possessed me to think of going in. What we believe about God is not found in the physical plant of a church organization. It is found in our hearts, and among those we find who share our view of faith in Jesus Christ, God the Son, Savior of the world and Lord of our lives.
 
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