Who is the Antichrist?

Tishri1 · Sep 25, 2005

Kathy said:
The anti-christ is a person alive and well...not a bunch of anti-christs or whatever...one(1) person...whom I believe to be...In Spain... IMO

ok do tell......

Tishri1 · Sep 25, 2005

actually I believe that those who know anything about the Temple will know that only a Jew who is of the lineage of Aaron could be allowed into the Temple's most holy place, and as soon as this world leader steps behind the curtain to place the abomination there they will know and flee ...Many who do not understand the Temple will not only praise this leader as Jesus and accept his image but will attack those Jews and Gentiles who flee as Christ killers and traitors....

breezynosacek · Sep 26, 2005

Jipsah said:
<Conan The Grammarian Mode On> "Necromancy is defined by Mr. Webster as:

"conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events"

"Talking to the dead" isn't the same thing at all, else everyone who ever addressed their departed kin at the graveside, or who asked a saint to pray for them (whether or not you hold with that belief) would be guilty of necromancy.

Yeah, that was something that even people with only a casual knowledge of Nyawlins knew about. I'd read articles where they predicted 50,000 dead if a cat 5 hit the place square, and that was without figuring in the Joint Local/State/Federal Chinese Fire Drill that took place afterwards.

The definition you use for conjuring is only one. The other definition, which by the way is still very valid in context is:

"fml & old use to ask (someone) solemnly for help, mercy, obedience, etc."

based on experience and conviction, faith in believing that the dead can hear you or can effect your life in any way such as helping or praying for you or even watching over you, opens up the door for familial and familiar spirits, ie satan.

it doesn't take 'magic' to do so, just faith in something that is said by God to be sin. Which, in an aside, necromancy was the ruling spirit of Goliath, that is why David killed him twice in the same passage.

Now, whether you call them guides, spirits, saints or any other name...if they are dead and you state that you are talking to them in prayer or any other form then there is necromancy or scorcery going on in one form or another. I will clarify, that it isn't the individual that you think you are talking to but a spirit/demon.

It's bad enough to open the door to this stuff, but to actually persue it? Playing with fire.

interpreter · Sep 26, 2005

Maurice,

IMO, the Revelation has beenunfolding for many years now.

The main antiChrist was Hitler. The Third Reich is the Third Six of the 6-6-6 trilogy.

But the spirit of the antiChrist is again with us, in the person of Bin Ladin and his followers who , like Hitler, hate Jews with a passion.

Islamic terrorists are the seventh head of the dragon-like beast of the Revelation.

Barry

ScottBot · Sep 26, 2005

breezynosacek said:
The definition you use for conjuring is only one. The other definition, which by the way is still very valid in context is:

"fml & old use to ask (someone) solemnly for help, mercy, obedience, etc."

based on experience and conviction, faith in believing that the dead can hear you or can effect your life in any way such as helping or praying for you or even watching over you, opens up the door for familial and familiar spirits, ie satan.

it doesn't take 'magic' to do so, just faith in something that is said by God to be sin. Which, in an aside, necromancy was the ruling spirit of Goliath, that is why David killed him twice in the same passage.

Now, whether you call them guides, spirits, saints or any other name...if they are dead and you state that you are talking to them in prayer or any other form then there is necromancy or scorcery going on in one form or another. I will clarify, that it isn't the individual that you think you are talking to but a spirit/demon.

It's bad enough to open the door to this stuff, but to actually persue it? Playing with fire.

I was under the impression that Christ defeated death and that those who are in Christ never die, but go on to eternal life as a brother and co-heir of Christ?

yeshuasavedme · Sep 26, 2005

Maurice A. Williams said:
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We cannot remember beyond out third or fourth year, and everything we know,...
Maurice A. Williams

The final man of sin cannot be revealed until the Church is gathered to the LORD.
There is absolutely no way to name a man as the final man of sin, for the Church will not be on earth when he is named.

Satan always has a person groomed for the office -waiting, waiting, waiting....or two or three, waiting, waiting, waiting -but he is restrained and cannot be 'revealed' until the congregation of the LORD is gathered to Him in the harvest of the Gentiles and resurrection of the dead in Christ.

I suspicion also, but am not 100% certain, that the final man of sin is a nephillim, and all those who worship him whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world are fellow nephillim, IMO, for it will be as it was in the days of Noah ----and nephillim are unclean spirits whose names are not written in the Book of Life and who were not given this earth as their home, being unclean from the beginning, they have no redemption.

All Adam was written in the Book of Life, and those who get their names blotted out by their own choices against the Light that lights every Adam seed that comes into the world will share in the lake of fire prepared from the beginnning for the devil and his angels.

Just as an aside, though: on your remark on how early our memories go -my own go back clearly to age 18 months, and I can tell you all about it and the highlights from my perspective for the next years of my life, too.

I thought I was about three when the things occured that I remember so well, but when I spoke to my seven year older sister, once, when we were visiting old home sites of our childhood, she informed me that I was 18 months old at my earliest memory that I shared -and so, perhaps many others have early memories that they think they were older in. My second and third year was highlighted by all manner of events that I shared with my sis, at that time of reminiscing, who entered fifth grade the year those events happened and told me that I was only two and three. -our house burned down when I was barely three and I was the one who went to get mom when the fire started and remember it well. sis was in school and had no idea how the fire started until that time that I told her, but that year was filled with memories before the fire that I shared with her, so memory goes way back for many of us....my son in law remembers the events of his very early years like that also...
For what its worth

NumberOneSon · Jun 7, 2006

breathofdove said:
There is lots of speculation on this site, especially on the mark of the beast. To those that really want to know and understand:
The mark of the beast is a mark of a man - the mark of a man is a date:

The date is June 6th, 2006 = 06/06/06 = 666.

breathofdove said:
Yes I believe that something real is going to happen, but I don't know how it is going to manifest itself.

Well Dove, what's the verdict? Did anything happen?

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Brain Damage · Jun 7, 2006

Acts6:5 said:
Well Dove, what's the verdict? Did anything happen?

In Christ,

Acts6:5

lol...Good find Acts....

thereselittleflower · Jun 8, 2006

Kathy said:
The anti-christ is a person alive and well...not a bunch of anti-christs or whatever...one(1) person...whom I believe to be...In Spain... IMO

The scriptures speak of many amtichrists. There have been those who have embodied the antichrist type most fully, like Hitler. Will there be another? Probably. Is he alive today? Maybe. I think that it is important though to distinguish between our personal beliefs and that of formal teaching. The Catholic Church, for instance, takes no stand on whether another anti-christ is alive today waiting to take the stage.

Peace

TroyTrojansFan · Jun 8, 2006

thereselittleflower said:
The scriptures speak of many amtichrists. There have been those who have embodied the antichrist type most fully, like Hitler. Will there be another? Probably. Is he alive today? Maybe. I think that it is important though to distinguish between our personal beliefs and that of formal teaching. The Catholic Church, for instance, takes no stand on whether another anti-christ is alive today waiting to take the stage.

Peace

Does the RCC feel that all prophecies have been fulfilled?

good4u · Jun 8, 2006

YOu have an interesting view of the end times, Maurice. The first half was spot on, then you left biblical accuracy.

Maurice A. Williams said:
How close are we to the final defiance of Antichrist against Christ? Most people expect the Antichrist to be a human being. Antichrist will be a human being, but the human being will only be a figurehead for the real Antichrist, who is a rebellious fallen angel.

The rebellion of that fallen angel against God has been ongoing ever since the angels made their choice to serve God or not serve. They were all perfect when first created, knowing everything they needed to know from the first moment of their creation. They were not at all as we are, who have no recollection of our coming into existence, and no infused knowledge. We cannot remember beyond out third or fourth year, and everything we know, we learned from others who taught us. Whether or not they knew the truth is a big factor on the accuracy of what we know.

No so with angels. They knew from the beginning when they were still perfect. Scripture tells us some rebelled. We will be as gods, they thought. They followed the lead of one of the most powerful, most knowledgeable angel God created: Lucifer. The name means bearer of light.

Other angels followed. They all were cast from heaven and became devils. Lucifer became The Devil or Satan, which means Adversary. Lucifer is Christs adversary, Christs rival, the real Antichrist.
The human figurehead, the man we will recognize as The Antichrist will have freely allied himself with Satan, allowing Satan to function in human through him. The human Antichrist will have a very short career, seven years, were told. His career is so short, that he will be upon us before we recognize him.

The person to track, if one wants to predict the final days, is Satan. Satans influence on the human race is mentioned all through Scripture, from Satans influence on the first human beings to the warnings Christ gave about Satan. Satan is the great red dragon who tried to destroy the woman and her child. Satan and the fallen angels were bound so that Christs Church could become firmly established. Then, Scripture warned, Satan will be released to seduce the nations.

Great explanation up until what you said below:

Maurice A. Williams said:
The historical question is when was Satan released? I think Satan was released five to six centuries ago. Satan influenced clergy to falter in their faithfulness to Christ, and used the scandal of their infidelity to encourage whole nations to rebel against the Church Christ founded. That rebellion destroyed the unity of the Church and totally destroyed the then existent Christian Political Empire.

You think, but it is merely your opinion. Not found in the Bible. Your opinion is as good as mine, I don't think apostacy is only a cleric problem, it is anyone who doesn't hold to sound doctrine taught in God's Word. Don't blame the clergy for your own problem, read God's Word for yourself.

Maurice A. Williams said:
Since then, what was once Christendom, has disintegrated into separate nations that, for five hundred years, have fought war after war, each one more deadly that the preceding one, until now we are faced with a possible war of annihilation.

This is Chrisitianity's fault that we have deadly wars? I don't think so. It is the sin in ALL of us. Don't blame Christians for war, it is sinful man that starts wars.

Maurice A. Williams said:
What was once a unified Christian Church has splintered into twenty thousand conflicting sects with many conflicting opinions, so that everything Christ revealed is contradicted by at least one sect. Their arguments and rebuttals have reduced the Christian message to near chaos. The nations, today, tell us that we are in the Post-Christian era. New forms of religion, non-Christian, occult, even Anti-Christian are promoted daily.

The conduct of peoples, tribes, and nations is now almost as rebellious against God as was the conduct of people before the flood. It does indeed look like all nations have been deceived. How much further will God let this deception to go?

Orthodox Chrisitianity, regardless of denoms, are STILL Christian because of orthodox doctrine and therefore, unified. Christian agree on essentials, not non-essentials.

Maurice A. Williams said:
Christ has been sending messages through his mother, mostly to young children, warning us that Gods toleration of our defiance is coming to an end. Yet the nations ignore the messages just like the Israelites ignored the prophets before Christ came into the world.

How soon do you think Satan will try to deliver the death blow?
Sincerely,

Maurice A. Williams

That is wierd and not biblical Christ does not send messages thru Mary or young children. That is wrong. You have gone off the deep end.

thereselittleflower · Jun 9, 2006

TroyTrojansFan said:
Does the RCC feel that all prophecies have been fulfilled?

No, not all

(I didn't realize this was an old thread when I first responded)

Peace

TroyTrojansFan · Jun 9, 2006

thereselittleflower said:
No, not all

(I didn't realize this was an old thread when I first responded)

Peace

Oh, ok. I was told on another board that Catholics thought all prophecies had already occured. Thanks for clarifying.

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 9, 2006

The historical question is “when was Satan released?” I think Satan was released five to six centuries ago. Satan influenced clergy to falter in their faithfulness to Christ, and used the scandal of their infidelity to encourage whole nations to rebel against the Church Christ founded. That rebellion destroyed the unity of the Church and totally destroyed the then existent Christian Political Empire.

He was released? What about the Jewish Rebellion against Christ? So the beast and prophet are in the "fire" already? What about his throne and "synagogue" where he dwells?
Your post makes no sense.

Romans 16:20 and the God of the peace shall bruise the Satan/Adversary under your feet in swifness; the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen!

Revelation 2:13 I have known thy works, and where thou dost dwell--where the throne of the Satan/Adversary [is] --and thou dost hold fast my name, and thou didst not deny my faith, even in the days in which Antipas [was] my faithful witness, who was put to death beside you, where the Satan/Adversary doth dwell.

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing! and Measure Ye! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it! 2 And the Court [#833], the one withinwitout[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

Rafael · Jun 10, 2006

God is All in all, and history rehearses all of scripture until the last day of 1000 years where the earth rests. God cannot be bound or limited in any way as far as Him and His manifestation over time.
Since the devil lost his battle at the cross, he fights with the spirit of antichrist, but even before that time, he tried to prevent the birth and manifestation of God that would defeat him. Over and over, the battles are played out until the final manifestations conclude with final victory against the last acts of satan to prevent the physical Kingdom of God to come where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron with His saints. Revelations spells out how this is done, as well as the prophets giving account. If history has played out similar scenes, it does not mean the final one will not take place.
We see throughout scripture, how many things are repeated in sevens so that we can continue to learn and be able to discern. Only focussing on one narrows ones ability to see the things sealed up for the end times, as the angel told Daniel in 12:9.

brother daniel · Jun 10, 2006

Rafael said:
God is All in all, and history rehearses all of scripture until the last day of 1000 years where the earth rests. God cannot be bound or limited in any way as far as Him and His manifestation over time.
Since the devil lost his battle at the cross, he fights with the spirit of antichrist, but even before that time, he tried to prevent the birth and manifestation of God that would defeat him. Over and over, the battles are played out until the final manifestations conclude with final victory against the last acts of satan to prevent the physical Kingdom of God to come where Jesus reigns with a rod of iron with His saints. Revelations spells out how this is done, as well as the prophets giving account. If history has played out similar scenes, it does not mean the final one will not take place.
We see throughout scripture, how many things are repeated in sevens so that we can continue to learn and be able to discern. Only focussing on one narrows ones ability to see the things sealed up for the end times, as the angel told Daniel in 12:9.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done;and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.
:clap:

Barraco · Jun 11, 2006

Maurice A. Williams said:
Hello,

This is Maurice A. Williams. Glad to see the response to my post. Some of you ask "how do I know the mother of Jesus sent messages?"

The three most prominent ones are well known and easy to verify on the Internet: Fatima, Medjugorje, and Rwanda. Two are famous for miraculous cures, as is Lourdes. All four asked people to stop offending God with their sins (such are murders, robberies, rapes , bigotry, violence, etc., things none of us enjoy, nor does God).

The warnings are that, if we do not of our own free wills avoid these sins and make peace, God will allow sin to take its course. God wants all persons to recognize the damage done by their sins and repent. The main purpose of the church is to call people to repentence so they can find salvation. If God puts a stop to our free wills, that's the end of sin. It's also the end of our freedom, and our goose is cooked, so to speak.

Look up these topics on the Internet. You will find pro and con articles. However, I think three little children warning in 1917 that, if people do not stop defying God, their defiance will bring on WWII and an athestic government in Russia that will cause much suffering in the world. How would three young children in Fatima know that was going to happen?

Also in Medjugorge, the children warned that we must make peace. In 1981, during the Olympics, when the apparitions started, Jugoslavia was an example of five ethnic groups getting along fine. Jugoslavia ignored the apparitions and ten years later, to the day, Jugoslavia broke up into five republics and wars started. We all heard of Bosnia and Serbia's ambitions to creat Greater Serbia. Since Serbia was the strongerst republic, and the UN was unable to stop them, NATO severely weakened Serbia, so much so, that Cosico (not sure of the spelling) began to attack Serbia. The point is that at least four of the republics have experiences terrible wars because the people did not believe and did not try to build a lasting peace. How would teenage kids know this was going to happen ten years before it happened.

Rwanda is similar. Young children were told the same message in 1983. Poeple must stop offending God (by their sins against other people) or God will let them experience the full efects of other peoples sins. Some of the children saw visions of rivers choked with dead bodies. Ten years later, one of the visionaries was put in jail in the capital city, Kigali, for holding prayer services in his home. The following year the genocide occurred killing 800,000 to 1,000,000 people in three months.

The combatants fled to the Congo. Lisa Lind said, on the Oprah show last month, that these soldiers have murdered 3,500,000 people in the past ten years. Two movies about Rwanda, "Hotel Rwanda," and "Sometrimes in April" show the trajedy in Rwanda, but nothing in the media or in the movies mentions the apparitions. How would teenage children know these dreadful things would happen years before they occurred?

Surf the Internet for Fatima. Medjugorge, and Rwanda and see for yourselves. We are being warned, but we refuse to listen. Maybe many of have to be martyred so that some people may repent and find salvation. If we listened, our prayers could convert those people before they inflict so much carnage.

I would like to comment on that. Jesus told us not to be alarmed by wars and rumors of wars. He told told us that many false prophets will go into the world performing many 'SIGNS AND WONDERS.' How can you be sure that those apparitions weren't deceptions used to keep people from watching for the Lord? Behold, he comes as a thief in the night. Indeed the Lord said that when these things start to happen, to LOOK UP. So, we should not be distressed by the terror within the world. We should be looking with expectation for the Lord's coming. A Christian's biggest gulliblity is to think he can take on the task of bringing peace to the world. That is Jesus's job and he said that all authority in heaven and on earth are given to him. So we would be foolish to assume that he's not in control and that things aren't going the way he wanted. What we should pray for the most is truth. For there has always been suffering and there has always been hate. And there will be suffering and hate until the Lord puts the nations under his feet. What there has not always been is truth. Truth gives life for eternity. People can love and still die. People can have peace and still die. But those who know the truth know of their eternal life of love and peace in God. Lets pray for truth, shall we?

inhisdebt · Jun 11, 2006

Barraco said:
I would like to comment on that. Jesus told us not to be alarmed by wars and rumors of wars. He told told us that many false prophets will go into the world performing many 'SIGNS AND WONDERS.' How can you be sure that those apparitions weren't deceptions used to keep people from watching for the Lord? Behold, he comes as a thief in the night. Indeed the Lord said that when these things start to happen, to LOOK UP. So, we should not be distressed by the terror within the world. We should be looking with expectation for the Lord's coming. A Christian's biggest gulliblity is to think he can take on the task of bringing peace to the world. That is Jesus's job and he said that all authority in heaven and on earth are given to him. So we would be foolish to assume that he's not in control and that things aren't going the way he wanted. What we should pray for the most is truth. For there has always been suffering and there has always been hate. And there will be suffering and hate until the Lord puts the nations under his feet. What there has not always been is truth. Truth gives life for eternity. People can love and still die. People can have peace and still die. But those who know the truth know of their eternal life of love and peace in God. Lets pray for truth, shall we?

Amen!!! well said :wave:

I couldnt agree with you more!!!

A Brother In Christ · Jun 16, 2006

A Brother In Christ said:
antichrist are all around us today...1john 2:22-23, 4:2-3

it is not the antichrist but the beast who is also an antichrist rev 5:8

1 thes 1:7 states that the beast cannot come to the seen till the Holy Spirit leaves the earth with the Church

brother daniel · Jun 16, 2006

A Brother In Christ said:
A Brother In Christ said:

antichrist are all around us today...1john 2:22-23, 4:2-3

it is not the antichrist but the beast who is also an antichrist rev 5:8

1 thes 1:7 states that the beast cannot come to the seen till the Holy Spirit leaves the earth with the Church

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I cannot find the word of God saying such a thing.
Its surly not 1 Thessalonians 7.
So that ye be ensamples to all that believe in Macadonia and Achaia.

When Jesus returns with a trump will you be prepared or will he catch you sleeping on the job?
With love in Christ
brother daniel

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