"Holy Spirit" questions that deserve an answer

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Here are some scripture references to who the Holy Spirit is, although it seems you don't see Him as a person at all.

The Holy Spirit knows and understands (Rom 8:27; 1 Cor 2:11); can be insulted (Heb 10:29); can be lied to (Acts 5:3), can be resisted (Acts 7:51), and can be grieved (Eph 4:30) The Holy Spirit teaches (John 14:26), intercedes (Rom 8:26), convicts (John 16:7-8); bears witness (John 15:26), and guides (John 16:13) Each of these activities testifies to the fact that the Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal influence.

He is also a divine person, as described by the titles given Him in the Bible: He is the Eternal Spirit (Heb 9:14), the Spirit of Christ (1 Peter 1:11), the Spirit of the Lord (Isa 11:2); the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord (Isa 61:1); the Spirit of the Father (Matt 10:20); and the Spirit of the Son (Gal 4:6). No other being apart from God bears such divine titles.

His diety is shown in other ways: He is omnipresent, as only God can be (Ps 139:7, I Cor 12:13); He is all-powerful (Luke 1:35, Rom 8:11); He was an agent in Creation (Gen 1:2, Ps 104-30), and has power to work miracles (Matt 12:28, I Cor 12:9-11); He is the one who brings us new birth (John 3:6, *** 3:5). The Spirit raised Jesus from the dead and who brings God's resurrection life to you and me (Rom 8:11); The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed (Matt 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29); and lying to the Holy Spirit is said to be lying to God (Acts 5:3-4).

When Christ promised to send His disciples 'another Comforter', the word in Scripture for "another" is 'allos', a Greek term meaning 'another of the same kind", in distinction to 'heteros' meaning 'another of a different kind'. Christ, the second person of the Godhead, was to send the Spirit, equally God, to live within those who believe. Christ Himself identified the Holy Spirit as being God, who when added to Himself and the Father, equals the Triune God.
 
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I see the Spirit as God's Spirit, not another spirit (such as a Third Person of a godhead) separate from the Father.

"...Each of these activities testifies to the fact that the Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal influence." I don't believe the Spirit is an impersonal influence. I believe the Spirit is the personal influence of God, as IT is HIS spirit.

"He is also a divine person...." Sure, God is a Divine Person. God's Spirit is not separate from Himself, but a part of Himself.
 
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>>Sure, God is a Divine Person. God's Spirit is not separate from Himself, but a part of Himself.

In the same way, God's Spirit is not separate from us, He is to be a part of us. That is why the Bible says in many places that we are to be Holy and blameless. This is what makes us children of God, because through the Holy Spirit being a part of us, we take on the divine nature of God.
 
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Originally posted by 2002 Christian
I see the Spirit as God's Spirit, not another spirit (such as a Third Person of a godhead) separate from the Father.
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Pastor N.B. here: I also 'see' the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit as God's Spirit! As God [IS A SPIRIT]. Not God the Father and God the Son as [we know them,] but GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT! (try Rom. 4:17's last part)
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"...Each of these activities testifies to the fact that the Holy Spirit is a person, not an impersonal influence." I don't believe the Spirit is an impersonal influence. I believe the Spirit is the personal influence of God, as IT is HIS spirit.
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Pastor N.B. here: You are so right! Acts 5:32 tells us that the [Holy Ghost] is given to him that obey 'Him'. It does not say the Spirit of the Father is given to them that obey Him. (Yet they are United in Unity!) The Holy Spirit can be quenched and grieved away, it has 'personal' influence! (you are correct)
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"He is also a divine person...." Sure, God is a Divine Person. God's Spirit is not separate from Himself, but a part of Himself.
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Pastor N.B. here: To me, the subject [is not] the starting point of 1 John 4:6! Case in point: We say God said! And we think that, that is always whom? Narrow it down? OK!

The 'Word' is WHAT or WHO? All 66 book are the Word of God. And [BOTH] THE FATHER AND THE SON HAVE A PHYSICAL BODY, yet BOTH ARE GOD. (Let us go down..etc.) Now, God is a Spirit, Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost! Was Christ or the Father as we know Him called the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost? Yet, the Word says that God [IS A SPIRIT], Who of the GodHeard then, is the Holy Spirit? Too simple :confused: :scratch:

Now to say that it is Gods Spirit, is it not? (Surely!) And for the Holy Spirit to call God the Son, God? Is He Not? (Surely!) It also teaches that THEY ARE [ONE IN UNITY!] There are but 'few' that understand John 17:21-23!
So when you study & run into the Word God, we need to understand that we might not at first understand the true meaning of the subject presented unless we undestand whom it is speaking of?

Just for [your] thinking, were either God the Father or God the Son 'Omnipresent' in the Old testament? Why not?
But, was God the Holy Spirit???

"And He that [searcheth the hearts] (mind) knoweth what is the [MIND OF THE SPIRIT], because [He maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."] Rom. 2:27
Yes, 'i' know that if one does not like this translation, they will need one of many other translations! :idea:

'i' wonder just how long a person will be permitted to try and tamper with the above 'Mind of the Spirit' and still be able to stay away from Matt. 12:31-32 warning of the Master? try Ps. 19:13.
Your true friend in Christ,
Pastor N.B. (end)
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No. 1: God is the Holy Spirit!
No. 2: God is the holy Ghost! (same 'one' person)

Yet, God as we now call Father, was not yet the Father of a Son. According to the Word. And Christ was not a Son of God except as [seen in eternity]. Rom. 4:17's last part.
And the "PLAN" is seen in Proverbs 8:23, as in the GodHead's forknowledge. "SET UP FROM EVERLASTING" :clap:

Both? NO, All [THREE] are the Everlasting [Gospel] & Everlasting [Covenant] when they were to be needed. Try Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20's last part.

Christ was God even then, they were all three in the unity of the three as the GodHead, in person and in form. Two IMMORTAL Beings & one IMMORTAL seperate 'Spiritual God' [PERSON].

Pastor N.B.
 
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I'm not sure that the mystery of of the Trinity (what have you) is something that we even as Christians fully in the Spirit with our minds opened by the transforming power of the gospel can fully comprehend.

It slike trying to understand that God simply always was, before even time exsisted. We're human, and exsist under the boundaries of time, so its difficult to think about God as a mighty entity that exists not only outside of the boundaries imposed by time, but that He created the concept in the first place!

Just the same, to understand that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all separately operating parts of God and yet all are fully God (Jesus being both fully man and fully God) might not be something that we'll ever have a firm grasp of until we stare God in the face on His throne and say:

"...Oh...Now I get it..."
 
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The Holy Spirit is part of that divine nature also. Someone already listed many verses show that the Holy Spirit is also a seperate and distinct person. The Holy Spirit grieved, he taught, and he only speaks what hears and not his own words. He is called God. All these things together show his role/funtion of the GodHead and that he is deity. Just because the Holy Spririt isnt mentioned in the greetings of Pauls letter doesnt make him any less deity based off the rest of the scriptures found in the bible. Oh I believe you also asked about shouldnt Jesus be the HS son because it was the Holy Spirt that came upon on Mary. The verse you quoted says it self that the Holy Spirit was there and the father overshadowed her. Also its important to remember the HS has always been the power behind the miracles. The HS here is just following orders and put the seed of god in Mary, if you will and the father was watching carefully over this miracle as the word (preicarnate Jesus) was put into Mary. You will notice that the father has always been the planner and Jesus and the Holy Spirit have been the excuters of his plans. For instance the Father made the worlds and everything through Jesus. Jesus is the one who created all things. Well thats enough for now.
 
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The use of the title God the father was in use at the time.
The use of the term the finger of God and the spirit of God was descriptive of a public ministry, particularly that of a prophet and the miracles that confirmed his status.
The title of son of God was to be established by the message, miracles and finally the sacrifice on the cross.
The separate status of the holy spirit in the absence of a scriptural basis would result in getting stoned.
 
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2002 Christian, I too know the Holy Spirit (baptized May of 2006 Church of Christ). The Holy Spirit has told me that he is Yahweh. The Holy Spirit does get a bit concerned when Zspeedyrabit mistakes Him for the other Triune members. Comprehending the Holy Trinity is difficult.
 
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The Holy Spirit is an aspect of God the Father (Who is incorporeal), not a separate person.

Psalm 51:11

Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your holy spirit from me.

John 4:24

24‘...God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.’


Luke 24:39

39 “...Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
 
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It could help you to know 2002 that many muslims believe that when Jesus says, "if I go, I will send you another advocate, even the Spirit of truth. He will glorify me and remind you of all that I told you" is muhammed.

But we of course know that this other advocate to the Father is none other than the Holy Spirit. He is a person, as Jesus described.
 
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Here are several questions. :help:

1) Luke 1.35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Why isn't the baby to be born called "the Son of the Holy Spirit?" If the Holy Spirit is a distinct Person from the Father, wouldn't the baby be the son of the "third Person of the Godhead"?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

2) Philippians 1.19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 4.6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Is this "Spirit of his Son" really Jesus' own spirit or is it a "third Person of the Godhead"?

Another example of how Jesus is Spirit is God and how they all work together.

Clark's commentary:
Gal 4:6 -
And because ye are sons - By faith in Christ Jesus, being redeemed both from the bondage and curse of the law; God - the Father, called generally the first person of the glorious Trinity, hath sent forth the Spirit - the Holy Ghost, the second person of that Trinity, of his Son - Jesus Christ, the third person of the Trinity - crying, Abba, Father! from the fullest and most satisfactory evidence that God, the Father, Son, and Spirit, had become their portion.

3) Luke 11.20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Matthew 12.28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Why is "the Spirit of God" called "the finger of God" in this parallel account? Is "the finger of God" the same as "God"?

Could be a figurative speech. It could go back to the Israeli's speaking of God working with a "mighty outstretched arm". God doesn't physically use an arm to bring Israel out of Egypt.

John Wesley Commentary:
Luk 11:20 - If I cast out devils by the finger of God - That is, by a power manifestly Divine. Perhaps the expression intimates farther, that it was done without any labour: then the kingdom of God is come upon you - Unawares, unexpected: so the Greek word implies.

Clark commentary:
Exodus 8:19
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This is the finger of God - That is, The power and skill of God are here evident. Probably before this the magicians supposed Moses and Aaron to be conjurers, like themselves; but now they are convinced that no man could do these miracles which these holy men did, unless God were with him. God permits evil spirits to manifest themselves in a certain way, that men may see that there is a spiritual world, and be on their guard against seduction. He at the same time shows that all these agents are under his control, that men may have confidence in his goodness and power.

4) 2 John 3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Fifteen out of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament start out with a greeting similar to this one. Why is the Person of the Father and the Person of the Son mentioned, but not the "third Person of the Godhead"?

Not a big deal. It was most likely understood that God was a Spirit.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him, must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Act 7:51 Ye stiff-necked, and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye.
 
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Some more questions.

5) Matthew 10.20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Is this a "third Person of the Godhead" or another Person's Spirit that speaks?

Clark's commentary:
Mat 10:20 -
For it is - the Spirit of your Father, etc. - This was an extraordinary promise, and was literally fulfilled to those first preachers of the Gospel; and to them it was essentially necessary, because the New Testament dispensation was to be fully opened by their extraordinary inspiration. In a certain measure, it may be truly said, that the Holy Spirit animates the true disciples of Christ, and enables them to speak. The Head speaks in his members, by his Spirit; and it is the province of the Spirit of God to speak for God. Neither surprise, defect of talents, nor even ignorance itself, could hurt the cause of God, in the primitive times, when the hearts and minds of those Divine men were influenced by the Holy Spirit.
Your Father - This is added to excite and increase their confidence in God.

6a) 1 John 1.3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

You keep going back to this kind of question. If you really want to understand it, forget about doctrines and take just the Scripture into account. During ancient times, it must have already been understood that the Father was the Holy Spirit.

6b) 2 John 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?
it must have already been understood that the Father was the Holy Spirit.

6c) John 8,17-18 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

Barns commentary:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Father ...beareth witness of me - By the voice from heaven at his baptism Mat_3:17, and by the miracles which Jesus performed, as well as by the prophecies of the Old Testament. We may here remark:
1. that there is a distinction between the Father and the Son. They are both represented as bearing testimony; yet,
2. They are not divided. They are not different beings. They bear testimony to the same thing, and are one in counsel, in plan, in essence, and in glory.

Peoples New Testament commentary:
Joh 8:18 -
The Father . . . beareth witness. By the prophets, by the works that Jesus does, by his voice at the baptism, and by John the Baptist.

John Gill's commentary:
And the Father that sent me, beareth witness of me; as he did, by the descent of the Spirit upon him at his baptism, and by a voice from heaven, both at that time, and at his transfiguration, and by the miracles which he wrought; and particularly he bore testimony of him, long before, in prophecy, that he was the light of the world he now said he was, Isa_42:6; so that here were two testifiers, his Father and himself; which show them to be two distinct divine persons, and equal to each other: and now if the testimony of two men is true, firm, and authentic, and to be depended upon and received, then much more the testimony of two divine persons; see 1Jo_5:9.
6d) 1 Timothy 5.21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels.

1Jn 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater: for this is the testimony of God which he hath testified of his Son.

6e) Romans 15.6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

6f) 1 Corinthians 8.6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

6g) Daniel 7.13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?


You ask the same kind of question and I gave you the same kind of answer. See my above answers.

7) 1 Corinthians 2.11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

If "the Spirit of God" is a distict Person separate from the Person "God," wouldn't "the spirit of man" be a distinct person separate from "man," since it says "EVEN SO" in the text?
John Wesley Commentary:
1Co 2:11 - For what man knoweth the things of a man - All the inmost recesses of his mind; although men are all of one nature, and so may the more easily know one another. So the things of God knoweth no one but the Spirit - Who, consequently, is God

Clark's commentary:
1Co 2:11 -
For what man knoweth the things of a man - The word ανθρωπων in the first clause is omitted by the Codex Alexandrinus, and one other; and by Athanasius, Cyril, and Vigil of Tapsus. Bishop Pearce contends strongly against the authenticity of the word, and reads the passage thus: “For what is there that knoweth the things of a man, except the spirit of a man that is in him?” “I leave out,” says the learned bishop, “ανθρωπων, with the Alexandrian MS., and read τις γαρ οιδεν τα του ανθρωπου; because I conceive that the common reading is wide of St. Paul’s meaning; for to say, What man except the spirit of a man, is (I think) to speak improperly, and to suppose that the spirit of a man is a man; but it is very proper to say, What except the spirit of a man: τις is feminine as well as masculine, and therefore may be supplied with ουσια, or some such word, as well as with ανθρωπος.” Though the authority for omitting this word is comparatively slender, yet it must be owned that its omission renders the text much more intelligible. But even one MS. may preserve the true reading.
The spirit of a man knows the things of a man: that is, a man is conscious of all the schemes, plans, and purposes, that pass in his own mind; and no man can know these things but himself. So, the Spirit of God, He whom we call the Third Person of the glorious Trinity, knows all the counsels and determinations of the Supreme Being. As the Spirit is here represented to live in God as the soul lives in the body of a man, and as this Spirit knows all the things of God, and had revealed those to the apostles which concern the salvation of the world, therefore what they spoke and preached was true, and men may implicitly depend upon it. The miracles which they did, in the name of Christ, were the proof that they had that Spirit, and spoke the truth of God.

8) Zechariah 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

BOTH means two. Assuming that "the BRANCH" is Jesus and "the LORD" is Jesus' Father, why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

If you have an answer for any of the questions, please address them by number. :scratch:

See above answers about God being Holy Spirit.
 
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6a) 1 John 1.3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Why isn't a "third Person of the Godhead" mentioned in this passage?

Because the Holy Ghost is always seen and indeed is submissive -in subjection to the Father and the Son.
In this He points us to the Father and Christ,[the expression] of the Father.

Therefore Jesus says:

"All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [Holy Ghost] will take of Mine and declare it to you.
John 16:15 (NKJV)
compare with Jn17.
 
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