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the surpreme cout ruled this past week that it is ok to
use vochers what do you think about this?
use vochers what do you think about this?
useing vouchers
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Absolutely. Why should my children be taught garbage I know is just that - garbage? Why should I have to send my children to a substandard school just because we are in that school district? Why should my tax dollars go to funding schools I do not like while I pay out of pocket to send my kids to a better school?
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I partially agree with what TC said. But I can see the validity of the other side of the argument. Why should the government use tax dollars to send kids to a school over which they have no control. They can't control curriculum, they can't control teaching standards. Hardly seems fair that they should pay for it but have no say in how the school is taught.
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Why do we expect tha tthe government should control what is taught? The government is not supposed to be our master, and controlling what is taught or not taught is not in the limited powers given to the government.
Considering that the government controlled schools are lagging behind private schools and home schooling in the areas of reading writing and arithmetic, it's time to let others control. This taxpayer feels short-changed!
Students will still have to pass entrance exams before they enter college, so the private schools still have to maintain the standards they already have in order to compete.
Speaking of competition, seems that is what the public school systems need. If social engineering and history revisionism is the most important thing to the NEA controlled schools, fine, parents will have a choice.
Considering that the government controlled schools are lagging behind private schools and home schooling in the areas of reading writing and arithmetic, it's time to let others control. This taxpayer feels short-changed!
Students will still have to pass entrance exams before they enter college, so the private schools still have to maintain the standards they already have in order to compete.
Speaking of competition, seems that is what the public school systems need. If social engineering and history revisionism is the most important thing to the NEA controlled schools, fine, parents will have a choice.
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"Considering that the government controlled schools are lagging behind private schools and home schooling in the areas of reading writing and arithmetic, it's time to let others control. This taxpayer feels short-changed! "
First, private schools (including religious schools) can kick people out for having unsatisfactory grades, for causing trouble, or for not conforming to the rules of that school. The public school must keep every student, no matter how unintelligent or uninterested in school until they are 16. This will necessarily pull down the reading, writing, and arithmetic scores of public schools and artificially inflate the scores of private schools (who only have the "smart" kids left).
Second (this is how it is done in Canada), the private school boards receive money from the government, and are also allowed to take donations from private citizens and private churches. Public schools are only given money from the government, and they are not allowed to take such donations. So private/religious schools have better facilities, bigger classrooms, adequate funding for extracurricular activities, and can afford to pay more to keep better teachers around. The public schools have decrepit schools, not enough textbooks, often inadequate teachers, little access to computers or gymnasium facilities, etc. Again, this will result in higher scores in almost all areas in the private schooling system than in the public schooling system.
"Why do we expect tha tthe government <I>should</I> control what is taught? The government is not supposed to be our master, and controlling what is taught or not taught is not in the limited powers given to the government. "
I believe that the government should have at least some control over what is taught in schools. This will ensure students are at least taught well enough to enter the working world or university. I am not necessarily in favour of a state-wide (or province-wide) curriculum, but there should be some standards that must be met by all schools, and therefore some material must be taught by all schools. If a private school, for instance, refused to teach mathematics, should the government be able to force them to?
First, private schools (including religious schools) can kick people out for having unsatisfactory grades, for causing trouble, or for not conforming to the rules of that school. The public school must keep every student, no matter how unintelligent or uninterested in school until they are 16. This will necessarily pull down the reading, writing, and arithmetic scores of public schools and artificially inflate the scores of private schools (who only have the "smart" kids left).
Second (this is how it is done in Canada), the private school boards receive money from the government, and are also allowed to take donations from private citizens and private churches. Public schools are only given money from the government, and they are not allowed to take such donations. So private/religious schools have better facilities, bigger classrooms, adequate funding for extracurricular activities, and can afford to pay more to keep better teachers around. The public schools have decrepit schools, not enough textbooks, often inadequate teachers, little access to computers or gymnasium facilities, etc. Again, this will result in higher scores in almost all areas in the private schooling system than in the public schooling system.
"Why do we expect tha tthe government <I>should</I> control what is taught? The government is not supposed to be our master, and controlling what is taught or not taught is not in the limited powers given to the government. "
I believe that the government should have at least some control over what is taught in schools. This will ensure students are at least taught well enough to enter the working world or university. I am not necessarily in favour of a state-wide (or province-wide) curriculum, but there should be some standards that must be met by all schools, and therefore some material must be taught by all schools. If a private school, for instance, refused to teach mathematics, should the government be able to force them to?
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Ah, I see, you are Canadian! It's difficult to compare apples and oranges, and this school voucher issue is here in the land of Apples, or Oranges, whatever you prefer us to be.
Students who are chronic problems can be sent to alternative school to remove them from the classmates that want to learn.
It is possible to donate time, money and equipment to public schools, as well as private schools. Thee is no law here against that.
Once again, the schools with direct government influence is the schools that prepare the students for their future the least, in this country, anyway. To say that the government is necessary to ensure the educational success of a school is like saying the flu is necessary to insuring the health of a human!
I don't know how your schools are in Canada, but the NEA works hard at making the agenda of social engineering primary and the teaching of reading writing, arithmetic and the hard sciences secondary. It is a shame, as the youngsters depend on us adults to point them in the right direction.
Students who are chronic problems can be sent to alternative school to remove them from the classmates that want to learn.
It is possible to donate time, money and equipment to public schools, as well as private schools. Thee is no law here against that.
Once again, the schools with direct government influence is the schools that prepare the students for their future the least, in this country, anyway. To say that the government is necessary to ensure the educational success of a school is like saying the flu is necessary to insuring the health of a human!
I don't know how your schools are in Canada, but the NEA works hard at making the agenda of social engineering primary and the teaching of reading writing, arithmetic and the hard sciences secondary. It is a shame, as the youngsters depend on us adults to point them in the right direction.
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I have many friends still living in Cleveland, and they love the vouchure system, because they can see that their children get a good education, and not just baby-sat for 12 years. I hope Cleveland schools see this as a wake-up call and get busier about the busniess of education and better facilities, and less about the non-essentials like profiting from milk contracts and such. Too many politicians use the school board as a stepping stone to bigger things--an ruin the schools in the process.
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bah... the only private school around where I grew up was for richies and deviants... as for outperforming public schools, thats not how it worked: the private school was the joke of the highschool academic world...
I guess its different in some metro areas, but when was the last time any of you set foot inside a public school? Gunnysgt, you're an old marine? Do you have kids in school or do you just go with what the media feeds you like the rest of America?
I guess its different in some metro areas, but when was the last time any of you set foot inside a public school? Gunnysgt, you're an old marine? Do you have kids in school or do you just go with what the media feeds you like the rest of America?
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My two sons are adults. They both went to parochial schools.
I have a sister who is a teacher who will be retiring in a couple of years. She is an atheist, pro abortion, pro homosexual and a liberal's liberal, lol.
She is on local television occasionally or in the newspaper because she started a teen homosexual support group for teens wanting to come out of the closet.
Needless to say my sister and I are limited in our topics of discussion.
My sister teaches English and she utilizes opportunities to tell her students of her brand of politics and beliefs.
I wouldn't want to have my own sons be taught by my sister for they would receive more of an indoctrination than an education.
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I have a sister who is a teacher who will be retiring in a couple of years. She is an atheist, pro abortion, pro homosexual and a liberal's liberal, lol.
She is on local television occasionally or in the newspaper because she started a teen homosexual support group for teens wanting to come out of the closet.
Needless to say my sister and I are limited in our topics of discussion.
My sister teaches English and she utilizes opportunities to tell her students of her brand of politics and beliefs.
I wouldn't want to have my own sons be taught by my sister for they would receive more of an indoctrination than an education.
GySgt James
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I have a son in public school, and two nieces in public schools, and numerous friends whose kids are in both. The statistics are consistent with the reports from the families.
Gunny, on another board I frequent, there is a poster there, who, along with his "significant other", do the same thing as your sister. Furthermore, they go out of their way to dissuade young people from Christianity. Our tax dollars at work, huh?
As a perpetual student, myself (my corporation pays for the tuition, books, fees, gives the worker 3hrs/wk paid time off to study and $10,000/bachelors degree, so I'll be a student forewver!), Isee how the enlightened professors sneak their agenda into any course. It's quite iritating, but it doesn't go on in whatever class I attend, and to have staunch Christian in class that calls the professor on the "alternative teaching" empowers the young Christians, showing them that yes, this is their country too, and they can confront the teachers that are wrong.
As I told the last one, "I'm here to learn all about literature, and that is what you will teach me. You are here to teach all about literature, and that does not include how man ywriters are homosexual and how that is a perfectly ok lifestyle and how Christians are hateful to homosexuals and how the Christians should have to go away. If you have any questions about this, Ma'am, we may continue this in the Dean's office, and to the newspapers and the radio stations. We can make a big deal of this so that these students' parents may here about what their little Johnny is being taught in Lit class."
She stuck to Lit topics for the rest of the term.
Gunny, on another board I frequent, there is a poster there, who, along with his "significant other", do the same thing as your sister. Furthermore, they go out of their way to dissuade young people from Christianity. Our tax dollars at work, huh?
As a perpetual student, myself (my corporation pays for the tuition, books, fees, gives the worker 3hrs/wk paid time off to study and $10,000/bachelors degree, so I'll be a student forewver!), Isee how the enlightened professors sneak their agenda into any course. It's quite iritating, but it doesn't go on in whatever class I attend, and to have staunch Christian in class that calls the professor on the "alternative teaching" empowers the young Christians, showing them that yes, this is their country too, and they can confront the teachers that are wrong.
As I told the last one, "I'm here to learn all about literature, and that is what you will teach me. You are here to teach all about literature, and that does not include how man ywriters are homosexual and how that is a perfectly ok lifestyle and how Christians are hateful to homosexuals and how the Christians should have to go away. If you have any questions about this, Ma'am, we may continue this in the Dean's office, and to the newspapers and the radio stations. We can make a big deal of this so that these students' parents may here about what their little Johnny is being taught in Lit class."
She stuck to Lit topics for the rest of the term.
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Hooray for blackmail in the name of hate... And conservatives wonder why homos flaunt their sexuality when given the opportunity to do so safely...
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Read Job 11:11. Your sister is a sinner. Your parents have failed God by raising such a wicked woman. This is an affront to God's greatness. She is going to hell for her sins. As are you, and your family, for the wicked and the consorts of the wicked shall pay for their sins with eternal damnation.
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Dang, user 956! Is there anyway we can save him from eternal damnation!? SURELY, there must be SOME way to save his soul!
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No, he is damned for eternity to hell. As it says in Psalm 1:1, "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly... Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. "
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Like anyone can take you serious user 956. Your homepage link that I just checked is a inappropriate contentographic site. You just "having fun" at other peoples expense and I'm sure your not a Christian. Just acting like it as part of the game your playing. Don't worry though you have already been reported to the proper people.
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Originally posted by Project 86
Like anyone can take you serious user 956. Your homepage link that I just checked is a inappropriate contentographic site. You just "having fun" at other peoples expense and I'm sure your not a Christian. Just acting like it as part of the game your playing. Don't worry though you have already been reported to the proper people.
It is sad that you have let lucifer cloud your thoughts in such a manner, and cause you to speak the lies that you speak. For I am he that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.
My homepage links to Pat Robertson. One day he will be President.
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