One World Government

KraKto$is8 · Jul 5, 2002

i think you are all taking rev. too literally

a world government will come to pass soon, but only after a great crisis like heydeerman said, "like it did in Independance Day the movie"

not quite aliens, but some major crisis that will leave us all shocked. we will then realise the stupidity of war and there will be no more (major) wars.

These discussions on whether the "mark" will be mental or physical are, im my opinion, futile, as revelations (as most of the bible is) is figuarative.

Pastor N.B. · Jul 5, 2002

Originally posted by KraKto$is8
i think you are all taking rev. too literally

a world government will come to pass soon, but only after a great crisis like heydeerman said, "like it did in Independance Day the movie"

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Pastor N.B. here:
In the Master's True 'movie' in Daniel 2:41-45 we see the "interpretation thereof sure."(!) 'God cannot lie'(!) And 'the spirits of the prophets [are] subject to the prophets' 1 Cor. 13:32. No one world government. Rev. tells us that it will be attempted for a very short duration??? world government, or a [WORLD COURT}?! [WORLD COURT]. Try Rev. 17:13-14.
(no, not literal time-try Num. 14:34 & Eze. 4:6 perhaps?)
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not quite aliens, but some major crisis that will leave us all shocked. we will then realise the stupidity of war and there will be no more (major) wars.

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Pastor N.B. here:
This is where we are no where near in agreement! You say: "We will 'realize ... and there will be no more major wars." ??? Second chance? Hardly. Try Heb. 6:6.

Second Tim. 3:1-8's Gospel states: "Ever learning, [and NEVER ABLE] TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH."

I suspect that you believe that the 'earth' is populated during the 1000 years? Try Jer. 4:23-27 "No man" "At the [presence] of the Lord." (the second coming) And these [other] ones are seen in verse 27. ".. yet I will not make a full end" Who are these & where are they to be at? Blessed and Holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURECTION End of P/N/B/'s remarks)
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These discussions on whether the "mark" will be mental or physical are, im my opinion, futile, as revelations (as most of the bible is) is figuarative.

MARANATHA2002 · Jul 5, 2002

Lets look at history, and see if we can see a pattern of events that we can draw a reasonable conclusion from.

WWI, I am not sure of the exact number of people that died in this war, but I am sure it was in the millions. This war was started by globalistic interest from the international banking cartels that financed and sold weapons to all sides. As soon as this war was over, the paper work had already been written up to form a world government. The League of Nations. This of course was rejected by the US Senate among others. The attempt failed.

20 years later. WWII, in this war over 60 million people died. All side of this war were again financed and supplied by the international banking cartel. And again, as soon as this war was over, guess what you got it, another attempt to form a world government. This time there was a little more success. Even though many nations had their differences they still signed on. It is still not the optimal goal of the global elites. Well as they say, at first you dont succeed , try, try again.

Here is were those of us who believe we are living in the last days before CHRIST physically returns, see the next attempt for a world government about to take place. WWIII, I believe this will be the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 and 39. All out war in the middle east Israel and the USA against the Arabs and the Russians. This time they will kill ¼ of the worlds population. This war will subdue the 3 kingdoms of Daniel. The use of nuclear weapons, and the death of 1 ½ BILLION people, the destruction of the worlds superpowers, yeah that should scare the world enough to be swayed by a slick talker, that national sovereignty has caused enough of these wars. He will have the next world government treaty ready to sign with many. It will be for 7-years.

For those of you who see no chance of a world government, I ask, is this just from being Pollyanna-ist ? And would your opinion change on the chances of world government if what I described above happened. Peace, but not yet.

user 956 · Jul 6, 2002

Originally posted by KraKto$is8
i think you are all taking rev. too literally

I suppose you think we're taking the entire bible too literally.  You will see when you suffer eternally at the hands of Satan himself, how literally the bible should be taken.

 

 

user 956 · Jul 6, 2002

Originally posted by GTX
Hey all, lets talk about what we know on the subject of the proposed "One World Government", not only is it explained in Revelation but Tony Blair and others are now proposing it. I have heard Bush is in agreement, I think it is close.

Computer chips (the mark), No more paper currency. One world currency.  

It is blasphemous to try and predict the future in this manner.  The will of God is the will of God, and it is not for you to know, nor attempt to decipher.  Things will unfold as they unfold, and I pray that nothing too terrible happens to you when you are left behind after the rapture.

 

Pastor N.B. · Jul 6, 2002

Originally posted by user 956

It is blasphemous to try and predict the future in this manner.  The will of God is the will of God, and it is not for you to know, nor attempt to decipher.  Things will unfold as they unfold, and I pray that nothing too terrible happens to you when you are left behind after the rapture.

 

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In my [profile] there is a site for my library postings. Numbers 132 & 133 might be of interest? It is some thought on the movie "Left Behind"

If you go there, there is a box [ ] to place the number of the post to find the pg. (then click GO)
I realize that perhaps most folk see it different than this set of two describe??

Pastor N.B.

OldBadfish · Jul 6, 2002

Originally posted by user 956

It is blasphemous to try and predict the future in this manner.  The will of God is the will of God, and it is not for you to know, nor attempt to decipher.  Things will unfold as they unfold, and I pray that nothing too terrible happens to you when you are left behind after the rapture. 

Take it easy, it is not blasphemous to look for the signs, we are told to do so in the bible, why else would it give a description of events to look for?

Your judging GTX for asking about this? Who are you to judge?

Of course things will unfold as they unfold, but Christians should recognize and know when the time is near.

 

toad_ster · Jul 7, 2002

question, if it was blasphemous, then why is it in the Bible?

OldBadfish · Jul 12, 2002

It is not blasphemous.

Pastor N.B. · Jul 12, 2002

Originally posted by toad_ster
question, if it was blasphemous, then why is it in the Bible?

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Hi,
some times [messages] get under our [human] skin!

and we might say things [in messages] that just come out in a way that we really do not believe perhaps? But we need to correct the statement, even if it is hard to do? (for me at least!)

But anytime you want to know the future? (Prophecy) Read Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 for a quick shortcut. And then go and look for it! Remember that God CANNOT LIE, and that He DOES NOT CHANGE. He is the SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. It might be recorded a little different, but remember that it is the prophet that is inspired to write in his own descriptive words, to describe the prophecy. Yet, ALL "The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." 1 Cor. 14:32.

These Eccl. verses are His INSPIRED WORDS! 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
So Revelations [testing] is NOTHING NEW. It is scattered all through the Word of God! [ALL 66 BOOKS OF INSPIRATION].

The way it ended in the Master's first Advent was with His 'House of God in Judgement FIRST' this has also been the case again as we read in 1 Peter 4:17. A Virgin Seventh-day Adventist denomination has gone the EXACT ROAD as Virgin Israel of old. Yet, the rejection of Israel was not the ending of Christianity, only the beginning! (please remember, it is the DENOMINATION & not all of the in/mature Christians that were rejected!)

Now, about the Rev's. testing (OR THE ENDING) the ending of all probation, the Mark of the Beast? It is the [counterpart] of Israel's destruction of 70AD. But make NO MISTAKE, it was the Master of the House that stated clearly and unequivocally.. "BEHOLD, YOUR HOUSE IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE." This HOUSE was their Denomination! This was their [MIDNIGHT CRY] of Matt. 25 and NOT THE [LOUD CRY] OF REV. 14:7-10.

This LOUD CRY of Rev. 14:6-10 is still some what future. Remember that 70 AD came 39 years after Israel's rejection as a denomination. (they still could come to Christ as individuals & be saved until 70AD)

BUT: It was the Master that told us Himself that the END would not be 39 years from another MIDNIGHT CRY to the LOUD CRY,
[by saying], "It shall be cut short in rightousness". Paul also was inspired to state the same fact! try Matt. 24:22 & Rom. 9:28.

In closing: You do not understand this? :sigh:

Relax,

study & just print this missive for further reference, if it helps then? Great, and if not, what have you lost? It will all be opened up to you as time progresses. For, for us to be [FORCE] 'marked' means that [we as Christians] will know what God requires of us before a DECISION is made! try Rev. 18:4. And all others? :sleep:

They could not care less, this testing is foolish to them, and besides, they want to 'buy and sell'! so? these [just go along] with the forced testing, that is why we see the hand marked.

Your true friend in the Master's quickly finished work,
Pastor N.B.

Not_a_fundie · Jul 15, 2002

One wourld government? The U.N. barely works as it is.

Pastor N.B. · Jul 15, 2002

Sounds right to me?

And yet the Word say's that.. "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill His will, and [TO AGREE], and give [their kingdom unto the beast], until the Words of God [shall be fulfilled]." Rev. 17:17

So it appears that the un/unified nations will follow the, from Lamb to dragon government, in 'fulfill'ing Gods will. That sounds like they will all agree to fulfill Rev. 13:15? Sounds like at first it is an agreed upon quarentine that ends in the death penalty. (USA does the first part-Cuba & others)

Verse 11 goes from [Lamb to Dragon], and is a beast, or government as were the case of Dan. 7. (Dan. 2 were different metals used for governments) "And he causeth [all], both small and great, rich and poor, free or bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, [or in their forhead]:

And that no man might buy or sell, [save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast."

And verse 15?? "... and cause that as many as would not worship the [IMAGE] of the beast should be [killed]."

So, perhaps one might consider the Converted MIND? The Born again one,
to see what.. [or in their foreheads] .. mean? A couple interesting verses in the Word are found in Ex.13:16, Deut. 6:8, Deut 11:18 pertaining to where our mind is supposed to be located :idea:

Whatever ones arrives at, God does not make a mistake as for its meaning, in these verses at least! See 2 Cor. 3:3

Pastor N.B.

sbbqb7n16 · Jul 16, 2002

To get the thread back on track...... a one world government may not be right now, but is definitely in the making. And no-not a figurative one world government- a literal one! The world court is on it's way to give global authority, UN almost has power to stop anything going on anywhere in the world and will soon. And you can bet on there being a leader established for this government fairly soon.

Now about Bush's part in this. Bush is keeping America out of it, until the time is right for us to be in it (God's plan-wise->not American smart-wise). Bush is playing it safe and doesn't want to be Prez during a one world government. he knows too much about prophecy. However....Bush can't be in the Preidency forever, and when he leaves, Al Gore is the most probable candidate. Think about that.....Gore already is favorable of a one world government and has said so himself. I think we need to watch out for him and where he leads us as a nation if elected. I personally don't trust the man.

David Gould · Jul 16, 2002

If the one world government is part of God's plan for the end times, why wouldn't you vote for Gore if you thought he was going to play a major role in bringing God's plan to fruition?

These end times discussions always seem to me to be very bizarre. The world will end when God(if he exists) wants it to, surely?

Thus, 'watching out' for Gore is not going to change God's plans for the world, is it?

The only thing you need to be concerned about (if God exists - note: I am an atheist) is whether people are saved or not, surely?

The world will end when it ends; I think Christians should quit worrying about it and stop talking about it. You guys are obviously not going to try and prevent it (oppose God's plan? Of course not!) so what is the point?

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Sabbath · Jul 16, 2002

If the one world government is part of God's plan for the end times, why wouldn't you vote for Gore if you thought he was going to play a major role in bringing God's plan to fruition?

It is Gods will, it doesn't matter who we vote for, One world government will fulfill the end times prophesies no matter who the American president is.

RufusAtticus · Jul 16, 2002

I'm curious.

How do you know that the rapture didn't happen a thousand years before you were born?

Pastor N.B. · Jul 16, 2002

Originally posted by sbbqb7n16
To get the thread back on track...... a one world government may not be right now, but is definitely in the making. And no-not a figurative one world government- a literal one!
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Pastor N.B. here: Then God is wrong in Daniel 2. And you are right?
Yet, a World [court] IS NOT a World Government.

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The world court is on it's way to give global authority, UN almost has power to stop anything going on anywhere in the world and will soon. And you can bet on there being a leader established for this government fairly soon.

Now about Bush's part in this. Bush is keeping America out of it, until the time is right for us to be in it (God's plan-wise->not American smart-wise). Bush is playing it safe and doesn't want to be Prez during a one world government. he knows too much about prophecy. However....Bush can't be in the Preidency forever, and when he leaves, Al Gore is the most probable candidate. Think about that.....Gore already is favorable of a one world government and has said so himself. I think we need to watch out for him and where he leads us as a nation if elected. I personally don't trust the man.

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Politics? And the last paragraph of the above is on thread?? If so, it seems (?) that Gore was included by the press to be a born again Baptist believer?
So what is your beef? Are you as a member of the World court telling us that you are the only one that knows what a 'thread' contains :scratch:

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Forum: This thought is also on thread, ('me' thinks?) That is, that there is absolutely NO sarcasm intended by me here!

And as I see it, all the printed posts printed here, are, ON THREAD. (including yours

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Pastor N.B.

Sabbath · Jul 16, 2002

Originally posted by RufusAtticus
I'm curious.

How do you know that the rapture didn't happen a thousand years before you were born?

Because the predictions haven't fulfilled.

The prophesies haven't been fulfilled, One World Order is just one of the prophesies, when has this happened? It hasn't.

Your not a Christian so your take on OWG, and the end times will be different.

RufusAtticus · Jul 16, 2002

Originally posted by Sabbath

Because the predictions haven't fulfilled.

The prophesies haven't been fulfilled, One World Order is just one of the prophesies, when has this happened? It hasn't.

Your not a Christian so your take on OWG, and the end times will be different.

How do you know that the predictions haven't been fulfilled?

How do you know that you have interpretated the prophecy correctly?

Pastor N.B. · Jul 16, 2002

Originally posted by David Gould
If the one world government is part of God's plan for the end times, why wouldn't you vote for Gore if you thought he was going to play a major role in bringing God's plan to fruition?
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Pastor N.B. here: Christians are born/again to Love their new Master. That is their first love! (How can one knock it until they know what they are experiencing ) Then comes the 'second' table of stone. That of loving your neighbor. As long as there is time, there is hope for the lost!
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These end times discussions always seem to me to be very bizarre. The world will end when God(if he exists) wants it to, surely?

Thus, 'watching out' for Gore is not going to change God's plans for the world, is it?

The only thing you need to be concerned about (if God exists - note: I am an atheist) is whether people are saved or not, surely?

The world will end when it ends; I think Christians should quit worrying about it and stop talking about it. You guys are obviously not going to try and prevent it (oppose God's plan? Of course not!) so what is the point?
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Pastor N.B. here:
'worrying' you say? not really, that word is not in my vocabulary. Concern is, and that word is [very much] Christian! Who wants any one lost? We believe that 'time is short'! And we want as many saved as possible, yet we are realizing that the saved have always needed 'seed sowing'. And that is what we are all about.
And, "oppose God's plan" you say? I realize that spiritual things are spiritually decerned, and you do not understant 2 Cor. 3:3, nor what takes place in a born again heart. But I personally LONG for the Master to come! I am HOMESICK to give my Master a physical hug with REAL tears for what He has done for me! I long to see my folks that I might have helped bring to an early grave? For I lived a life much worse than perhaps, temporary atheism? for I knew better. And I know whose prayer's kept me alive during this blantant sinfull foolishness of mine!
Also I long to see others who if listed might get me banned?
So in closing, if God can reach a person, there is nothing that He will not do! (end of remarks)
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