Peace Both and All
Parousia 70, you asked if the Gospel age is an evil age. I ask you has sin and death passed. If not, then there is a simultaneous situation going on eh? Many believers think this life is "all about us" but have you considered there are other reasons, such as this age allowing sin to become utterly sinful prior to the destruction of evil and death? And in this time of the "acts" of sin(ners) our Great God is gracious in using them to our eternal benefit. God saw fit to join us to suffering, as He saw fit to join His Son to suffering.
Jenlu:
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<TD vAlign=top>So Jesus coming in the flesh did nothing?
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The clear statement of the cross is the taking of sin from mankind. Sin however is STILL HERE. It is the "attribution" that has gone away. When the "Perfect" comes the "imperfect" will indeed disappear. This is the awaiting time and the formation of hope in our hearts.
J:
So Jesus dying, ressurrecting, ascending to His throne did nothing? O.K. I'm not a preterist, but I do believe the "coming" discussed by Jesus happened within that generation...the words simply state it...
s:
see previous.
J:
I used to read the Bible the same as most other dispensationalist so I know that point of view well...and I was an avid proponent of the doctrine...His plain and simple discussions with His disciple's and the jewish hierarchy makes it obvious that any removal of what He said would come to pass within a generation is not needed...Then a look a secular historical as well as N.T. books it becomes obvious that the "last days" were that of the first century...
s:
This present evil age has not yet come to its' end. We can be assured that sin will become utterly sinful and will then face the wrath of God which is coming upon the whole earth. That Great and Terrible Day. Great for mankind. Terrible for the cause of evil.
J:
We've just confused it with the end of the world...but it actually just was the beginning of a "new" type of world where Jesus is King of Kings and Lord or Lords... Hebrews 9:26 But now ONCE at the Consumation Of The Ages He has been manifestED to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself...
As you can see, the writer of Hebrews was talking about Jesus at the intersecting or convergence of the ages(old covenant age and new covenant age) when He sacrificed Himself on the Cross...
Point is, the manner in which we live and can live is different than before the consumation of the ages(the cross and subsequent events)...as plainly stated in the Bible in my opinion of course...
s:
All have been bound to disobedience (Rom. 11:32) All will be recipients of Gods mercy. When His work is complete in this evil age then evil will be put away.
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Parousia 70, you asked if the Gospel age is an evil age. I ask you has sin and death passed. If not, then there is a simultaneous situation going on eh? Many believers think this life is "all about us" but have you considered there are other reasons, such as this age allowing sin to become utterly sinful prior to the destruction of evil and death? And in this time of the "acts" of sin(ners) our Great God is gracious in using them to our eternal benefit. God saw fit to join us to suffering, as He saw fit to join His Son to suffering.
Jenlu:
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<TD vAlign=top>So Jesus coming in the flesh did nothing?
s:
The clear statement of the cross is the taking of sin from mankind. Sin however is STILL HERE. It is the "attribution" that has gone away. When the "Perfect" comes the "imperfect" will indeed disappear. This is the awaiting time and the formation of hope in our hearts.
J:
So Jesus dying, ressurrecting, ascending to His throne did nothing? O.K. I'm not a preterist, but I do believe the "coming" discussed by Jesus happened within that generation...the words simply state it...
s:
see previous.
J:
I used to read the Bible the same as most other dispensationalist so I know that point of view well...and I was an avid proponent of the doctrine...His plain and simple discussions with His disciple's and the jewish hierarchy makes it obvious that any removal of what He said would come to pass within a generation is not needed...Then a look a secular historical as well as N.T. books it becomes obvious that the "last days" were that of the first century...
s:
This present evil age has not yet come to its' end. We can be assured that sin will become utterly sinful and will then face the wrath of God which is coming upon the whole earth. That Great and Terrible Day. Great for mankind. Terrible for the cause of evil.
J:
We've just confused it with the end of the world...but it actually just was the beginning of a "new" type of world where Jesus is King of Kings and Lord or Lords... Hebrews 9:26 But now ONCE at the Consumation Of The Ages He has been manifestED to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself...
As you can see, the writer of Hebrews was talking about Jesus at the intersecting or convergence of the ages(old covenant age and new covenant age) when He sacrificed Himself on the Cross...
Point is, the manner in which we live and can live is different than before the consumation of the ages(the cross and subsequent events)...as plainly stated in the Bible in my opinion of course...
s:
All have been bound to disobedience (Rom. 11:32) All will be recipients of Gods mercy. When His work is complete in this evil age then evil will be put away.
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