Presuppositions

aVOICEintheWILDERNESS777 said:

What are the presuppositions for the Dispensationalist? What is the starting point?

For example: One presupposition might be - God has a separate plan for Israel than for the Church?

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The starting presupposition for dispensationalists is a heavy emphasis on progressive revelation. That is, we dispensationalists highly regard the original OT meaning and audience of God's promises. Interwoven with this emphasis - and more easily expressed by many dispensationalists - is that we:
1) hold Israel and the Church to be distinct, and
2) Israel has a prophetic future.

While a number of non-dispensationalists think it valid that OT passages can be "reinterpreted" in light of NT revelation, even replacing the original meaning/audience, dispensationalists will retain the original meaning and audience of the OT passage. Promises might be expanded, but never replaced.

That means for example God will fulfill His promises to the nation of Israel, which includes the land promises.

Now the different types of dispensationalists will define the relationship between Israel and the church differently, but a dispensationalist will never equate Israel and the church to be one and the same. For mainstream dispensationalists, Israel has always consisted of believing and unbelieving Jews. The believing Jews are referred to as the remnant of Israel. In this present dispensation - the believing Jews - constitute a part of the church, and the other portion of the church are the believing Gentiles.

Lamorak Des Galis

aVOICEintheWILDERNESS777 said:

What are the presuppositions for the Dispensationalist? What is the starting point?

For example: One presupposition might be - God has a separate plan for Israel than for the Church?

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Read Gen 1:1. God has two realms. HEAVEN and EARTH. Both have been compromised with a usurper who wishes to be LIKE the Most High God.

ALL of your Bible is the story of Gods plan to RE ESTABLISH His rightful reign and rule in both of those realms that HE created.

Israel is His chosen instrument to RE ESTABLISH His reign and rule on the EARTH,

We, the Body of Christ, comprised of both Jew AND Gentile in this present age of GRACE , are His chosen instrument to re establish His reign and rule in the heavenlies.

NOT understanding this important premise comes from a zeal for God but without KNOWLEDGE. WE have to see the BIG PICTURE...God wants ALL of us to understand what He is doing and WHY. Being "religious" has no place in this plan.

Hey "Voice" -

Joshua 23:14 - "And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which Jehovah your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, not one thing hath failed thereof."

You will want to read the whole chapter to get the full context and realize just who the audience is and where they are.

Israel now possessed the land - see the early part of the chapter.

Joshua states God fulfilled His promises to them - nothing God had promised had failed - ALL had come to past !!

Joshua issues his warnings in the latter part of the chapter - If they sin they can lose it all!

And... well, they sinned before God and lost it all.

Apollos1 said:

Hey "Voice" -

Joshua 23:14 - "And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which Jehovah your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, not one thing hath failed thereof."

You will want to read the whole chapter to get the full context and realize just who the audience is and where they are.

Israel now possessed the land - see the early part of the chapter.

Joshua states God fulfilled His promises to them - nothing God had promised had failed - ALL had come to past !!

Joshua issues his warnings in the latter part of the chapter - If they sin they can lose it all!

And... well, they sinned before God and lost it all.

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Temporarily that is...God is not done with the nation Israel but will RESUME His program with them in ages to COME, AFTER the formation of the body of Christ is complete.

aVOICEintheWILDERNESS777 said:

Were any of Israel's promises from God null and voided due to their rebellion? It seems that many to most promises were voided.

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What specific covenant promises do you have in mind that you think were voided?

The Abrahamic covenant is the foundation for God's promises to Israel. The later covenants, the Mosaic covenant, the Davidic covenant and the new covenant, are all linked to the Abrahamic covenant. The stipulations in all three are essentially expansions of the Abrahamic covenant promises. The blessings and cursings of the Mosaic covenant was dependent on Israel's obedience or disobedience in the promised land. The blessings/cursings (i.e. Deut 28) formed the basis of the judgment/restoration message of the prophets: judgment for disobedience, then restoration through God's grace.

Although there was flagrant idolatry in both Israel and Judah, God did not nullify the "land promises" - He restored the Jews to the land after the Babylonian exile. The land promises are a part of not only the Abrahamic covenant, but also the Davidic and new covenants as well. And Paul said that the later Mosaic covenant did not set aside the earlier Abrahamic covenant (Gal 3:17). In fact Paul in Gal 3:14 linked a specific new covenant promise - the promise of the Spirit - with the Abrahamic covenant. There are unconditional aspects to the Abrahamic, Davidic and new covenants that cannot be denied.

aVOICEintheWILDERNESS777 said:

What promises are guaranteed no matter what Israel's condition has been?

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The promises that God made unconditionally. Dwelling in the land was conditional under the Mosaic covenant, but its unconditional in the Abrahamic, Davidic and new covenants. All these covenants repeat the land promises to the nation of Israel. Take for example the statements on the new covenant in Jeremiah 31:

Jeremiah 31:31-33 Indeed, a time is coming," says the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 It will not be like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a faithful husband to them," says the LORD. 33 "But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land," says the LORD. "I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.

Here is God's promise regarding the nation of Israel -

Jeremiah 31:35-37 35 The LORD has made a promise to Israel. He promises it as the one who fixed the sun to give light by day and the moon and stars to give light by night. He promises it as the one who stirs up the sea so that its waves roll. He promises it as the one who is known as the LORD who rules over all. 36 The LORD affirms, "The descendants of Israel will not cease forever to be a nation in my sight. That could only happen if the fixed ordering of the heavenly lights were to cease to operate before me." 37 The LORD says, "I will not reject all the descendants of Israel because of all that they have done. That could only happen if the heavens above could be measured or the foundations of the earth below could all be explored," says the LORD.


Lamorak Des Galis

LDG offered the following…

[Jeremiah 31:] 33 "But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land," says the LORD.

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Jeremiah 31:… 36 The LORD affirms, "The descendants of Israel will not cease forever to be a nation in my sight.

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HUH ??? Does anyone reading this know which translation he used???

Was it taken from a commentary??? A paraphrased edition??? Jeremiah does NOT say these things!

The land promise of God was conditional – this upon faithfulness to Him. Nothing under Abraham (before the Moses and the giving of the old covenant) or under David (after the giving of the old covenant) changed the conditions for Israel to dwell in the land - that notion is certainly unsupported here!

As far as the new covenant – there is no concern for the physical land – the outlook for a possession here is spiritual. Think on things above. We leave this ball of dirt behind and go to a better place. Only the carnally minded continue to have regard for a lingering physical presence here.

Apollos1 said:

HUH ??? Does anyone reading this know which translation he used???
Was it taken from a commentary??? A paraphrased edition??? Jeremiah does NOT say these things!

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I find it amazing you would deny what Jeremiah actually said. You should really check out the other English versions on Jeremiah 31:36:

CSB Jeremiah 31:36 If this fixed order departs from My presence-- this is the LORD's declaration-- then also Israel's descendants will cease to be a nation before Me forever.

ESV Jeremiah 31:36 "If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever."

JPS Jeremiah 31:36 If these ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.

KJV Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

NAU Jeremiah 31:36 "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever."

NIV Jeremiah 31:36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me."

NKJ Jeremiah 31:36 "If those ordinances depart From before Me, says the LORD, Then the seed of Israel shall also cease From being a nation before Me forever."

NRS Jeremiah 31:36 If this fixed order were ever to cease from my presence, says the LORD, then also the offspring of Israel would cease to be a nation before me forever.

TNK Jeremiah 31:36 If these laws should ever be annulled by Me -- declares the LORD -- Only then would the offspring of Israel cease To be a nation before Me for all time.

Apollos1 said:

The land promise of God was conditional – this upon faithfulness to Him.

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If the land promise was conditional on faithfulness to the LORD, then the Jews never would have returned from the Babylonian exile. The northern nation of Israel engaged in idolatry from the beginning to its demise 200 years later, and yet God spoke of restoring both Israel and Judah in the future. You should read Ezekiel 16; it shows how the LORD will restore Israel and Judah, despite their unfaithfulness.

Apollos1 said:

Nothing under Abraham (before the Moses and the giving of the old covenant) or under David (after the giving of the old covenant) changed the conditions for Israel to dwell in the land - that notion is certainly unsupported here!

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You are thinking only in terms of the "old covenant" - Mosaic covenant. There are other specific Biblical covenants I mentioned in my last post - the Abrahamic covenant and the Davidic covenant which are not the same as the Mosaic covenant. The Abrahamic covenant is the basis for the land promise.

The promise the LORD made to Abraham in Genesis 15 was unconditional. This is clearly shown in the fact that the LORD Himself cut the covenant. And the promised land is specific:

Genesis 15:18-21 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates-- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

As far as the new covenant – there is no concern for the physical land – the outlook for a possession here is spiritual. Think on things above. We leave this ball of dirt behind and go to a better place. Only the carnally minded continue to have regard for a lingering physical presence here.

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Contrary to your initial claim, here are passages which speak of both the new covenant and the land promises:

Ezekiel 11:17-20 17 "Therefore say: 'This is what the sovereign LORD says: When I regather you from the peoples and assemble you from the lands where you have been dispersed, I will give you back the country of Israel.' 18 "When they return to it, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. 19 I will give them one heart and I will put a new spirit within them; I will remove the hearts of stone from their bodies and I will give them tender hearts, 20 so that they may follow my statutes and observe my regulations and carry them out. Then they will be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 24 "'I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries; then I will bring you to your land. 25 I will sprinkle you with pure water and you will be clean from all your impurities. I will purify you from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you. I will remove the heart of stone from your body and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put my Spirit within you; I will take the initiative and you will obey my statutes and carefully observe my regulations. 28 Then you will live in the land I gave to your fathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.

Lamorak Des Galis

LamorakDesGalis said:

I find it amazing you would deny what Jeremiah actually said. You should really check out the other English versions on Jeremiah 31:36:

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Verse 33 is the one in question, not verse 36.

Jeremiah 31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. KJV

Your version has it as:

33 "But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land," says the LORD. "I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.

and you even highlighted that added part.

mcfly 1960 -

I am so glad you can read. Verse 33 is the main problem! I am still sitting here in unbelief...

Btw, he got verses 36 and 37 wrong also - check it out!

I will reply later in length when I have more time.

Thank you - thank you!!

mcfly1960 said:

Jeremiah 31:33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. KJV

Your version has it as:

33 "But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land," says the LORD. "I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.

and you even highlighted that added part.

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Its the NET Bible. The phrase "after those days" is clarified in the context, since the reference was to Jeremiah 31:27-28.

This is how the NIV translated it:

Jeremiah 31:27-31 27 "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. 28 Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. 29 "In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' 30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes-- his own teeth will be set on edge. 31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.


Lamorak Des Galis

Apollos1 said:

mcfly 1960 -

I am so glad you can read. Verse 33 is the main problem! I am still sitting here in unbelief...

Btw, he got verses 36 and 37 wrong also - check it out!

I will reply later in length when I have more time.

Thank you - thank you!!

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I have no problems addressing and discussing specific texts in question, but quibbling over what verse numbers were quoted or not is just majoring in the minors...

LDG –

Thank you for your reply, but both replies have been quite confusing! The main controversy was originally with what you quoted as verse 33 – not verse 27… bad study and bad exegesis on your part, even with all those translations you have at hand. It seems to me that you co-mingled these two different verses to create an idea that is not contained anywhere within Jeremiah 31.

Your version (???) - 33 "But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land," says the LORD.

To make a long story short, I checked both verses 27 & 33. Neither contain a reference in the Hebrew for “land”. NIV and NET can “commentary” all day long – that word is not there. So now – why did Jeremiah chapter 31 come into the “land promise” discussion???

You must admit these abstract translations (if not outright commentaries like the NET) have proven to be confusing. You may want to utilize translations, not commentaries, that do not have agendas.
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Now to answer your remarks from your post #10 & #14 this thread…

I don’t deny what Jeremiah said. I deny what YOU changed in his writings. Now that is AMAZING !!!
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You said - If the land promise was conditional on faithfulness to the LORD, then the Jews never would have returned from the Babylonian exile.
God giving the land was certain – He delivered – Joshua 23:14.
KEEPING the land was what was conditional. They never possessed the land again – the King of Babylon did at that time.
RETURNING to the land did not mean they would get it back. This only preserved a people through whom the Christ would come.
Also, Judah and Israel were never reunited and never a “nation” again!

- The northern nation of Israel engaged in idolatry from the beginning to its demise 200 years later, and yet God spoke of restoring both Israel and Judah in the future.
The restoration spoken of here (Jer. 31:31f) is a spiritual restoration, not a physical one. This will be under a NEW covenant, one of a DIFFERENT type – which makes the prior covenant moot! His law will be written upon the heart (not stone) and everyone in that “Israel” will know God. Most importantly, our iniquities (sins) will be forgiven in that “Israel”.

- You should read Ezekiel 16; it shows how the LORD will restore Israel and Judah, despite their unfaithfulness.
Last post I said… Nothing under Abraham (before the Moses and the giving of the old covenant) or under David (after the giving of the old covenant) changed the conditions for Israel to dwell in the land - that notion is certainly unsupported here!

You replied - There are other specific Biblical covenants I mentioned in my last post - the Abrahamic covenant and the Davidic covenant which are not the same as the Mosaic covenant. And… so what? What is your point?

- The Abrahamic covenant is the basis for the land promise.
I am not certain how you are using “covenant” here, but I agree that the promise was made to Abraham. If you have another point here let me know what it is.

- The promise the LORD made to Abraham in Genesis 15 was unconditional.
Yes it was. God PROMISED Abraham the land, although Abraham would never see the promise fulfilled other than by faith. HOWEVER…

1.) Joshua chapter 23:14 tells quite plainly that the PROMISE for the LAND was fulfilled!

2.)KEEPING the land was CONDITIONAL. Nothing spoken to Abraham or David changes that!
If there were any “Second chance” provisions – I know nothing about them. Israel sinned and they lost the land, just as God said they would! Don’t make God out to be a liar!

And last - The passages you use from Ezekiel would take considerable time to set into context, so I will just say that I disagree with your application. My hasty scan reveals that both have a spiritual application toward the church – not application to the physical Israel you want restored.

Please explain why the nation of Israel that now occupies a significant portion of "the promised land" and is recognized by the UN and most countries (other than the surrounding Arab nations) deserves such a large proportion of the deliberations in the UN...

Is that entity a non-physical Israel?

Apollos1 said:

Thank you for your reply, but both replies have been quite confusing! The main controversy was originally with what you quoted as verse 33 &#8211; not verse 27&#8230; bad study and bad exegesis on your part, even with all those translations you have at hand. It seems to me that you co-mingled these two different verses to create an idea that is not contained anywhere within Jeremiah 31.

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I tried to point out the context, but let's take it step by step....What is Jeremiah referring to when he used the phrase After that time to in Jer 31:33?
To what does after that time refer?

Apollos1 said:

To make a long story short, I checked both verses 27 & 33. Neither contain a reference in the Hebrew for &#8220;land&#8221;. NIV and NET can &#8220;commentary&#8221; all day long &#8211; that word is not there. So now &#8211; why did Jeremiah chapter 31 come into the &#8220;land promise&#8221; discussion???

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I cited Jeremiah 31 as one example of how the new covenant is connected with the land promises. The NET Bible simply brings out what's in the context. I could have just as easily used Ezekiel 11:17-20 or Ezekiel 36:24-28 as examples as well, or used another Bible version - it really doesn't matter to me. My main point was this: passages in the OT connect the new covenant specifically with the land promises.

Apollos1 said:

You must admit these abstract translations (if not outright commentaries like the NET) have proven to be confusing. You may want to utilize translations, not commentaries, that do not have agendas.

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There are plenty of non-dispensationalists, including Reformed scholars, who regard both the NIV and NET Bible very highly. They don't have a problem with how either version has rendered Jeremiah 31, and certainly would not agree with you characterizing either the NIV or NET as having "agendas." In reality you are protesting a historical-grammatical intepretation of these passages which you think necessarily leads to dispensationalism. But you err in your thinking here...

Apollos1 said:

Joshua chapter 23:14 tells quite plainly that the PROMISE for the LAND was fulfilled!

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Did you not remember what Joshua said at the beginning of his speech?

Joshua 23:4-5 "See, I have divided to you by lot these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from the Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut off, as far as the Great Sea westward. 5 "And the LORD your God will expel them from before you and drive them out of your sight. So you shall possess their land, as the LORD your God promised you.

If Joshua in his old age spoke of a future time for his successors to possess the land God promised, then Joshua 23:14 can't mean the land was fully possessed in his day.

Apollos1 said:

They never possessed the land again &#8211; the King of Babylon did at that time. RETURNING to the land did not mean they would get it back. This only preserved a people through whom the Christ would come.

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Try reading the prophets Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah and Isaiah. Their writings state it very differently than you. Jeremiah recorded this:
Jeremiah 29:10 For thus says the LORD: After seventy years are completed at Babylon, I will visit you and perform My good word toward you, and cause you to return to this place.

Apollos1 said:

You should read Ezekiel 16; it shows how the LORD will restore Israel and Judah, despite their unfaithfulness.
Last post I said&#8230; Nothing under Abraham (before the Moses and the giving of the old covenant) or under David (after the giving of the old covenant) changed the conditions for Israel to dwell in the land - that notion is certainly unsupported here!

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You missed the point entirely. God didn't permanently cut off Israel and Judah at the height of their sins. Here is Ezekiel 16:59-60 59 'For thus says the Lord GOD: "I will deal with you as you have done, who despised the oath by breaking the covenant. 60 " Nevertheless I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you."

Apollos1 said:

If there were any &#8220;Second chance&#8221; provisions &#8211; I know nothing about them. Israel sinned and they lost the land, just as God said they would! Don&#8217;t make God out to be a liar!

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Don't be so hasty in your judgments. You should now know what God said about Israel and Judah in Ezekiel 16, and that he indeed gave them a second chance. You should know that Jeremiah prophesied that the Jews would return to the land in 70 years...


Lamorak Des Galis

LDG –
Thank you for your reply. I will step by the past confusion you created and your comments about the context you say you were trying to point out - and continue.

You said - What is Jeremiah referring to when he used the phrase After that time to in Jer 31:33? To what does after that time refer?
“After those days…” ASV (reading verse 32) refers to the “days” after the old covenant was given, and thus refers to a time when the NEW covenant shall be given.

I cited Jeremiah 31 as one example of how the new covenant is connected with the land promises.
But Jeremiah 31 is NOT connected with the “land promise”. The context of this passage is about WHEN the NEW covenant will come and what it will be concerned with. This passage says nothing about the “land promise” – the land is NOT addressed in the passage. You are “reading into” the passage!

The NET Bible simply brings out what's in the context.
NO – the NET ADDED WORDS that are not there. The NET offers COMMENTARY that is unsubstantiated by both the original language and the context.

…passages in the OT connect the new covenant specifically with the land promises.
The “land promise” was fulfilled – done deal! The new covenant is not concerned with the “land promise”, Ezekiel not withstanding.

There are plenty of non-dispensationalists, including Reformed scholars, who regard both the NIV and NET Bible very highly. They don't have a problem with how either version has rendered Jeremiah 31, and certainly would not agree with you characterizing either the NIV or NET as having "agendas."
Whoever these “scholars” may be, they, of necessity, must find some reference to “land” that isn’t there in the original language, or be willing to accept the NET’s COMMENTARY as you have.

In reality you are protesting a historical-grammatical intepretation of these passages which you think necessarily leads to dispensationalism. But you err in your thinking here...
I am not willing to accept the NET “interpretation” – I want a TRANSLATION!! I want the best one I can find because I am interested in the TRUTH, not commentary! As far as what it leads to, it leads to bad study, bad exegesis, false doctrine, lost souls!

In regards to the NET:

The Net Bible in its initial form was produced by a team of translators under the direction of W. Hall Harris, the General Editor, and Daniel B. Wallace, the Senior New Testament Editor. Harris and Wallace are both professors of New Testament at Dallas Theological Seminary. The identity of the Old Testament Editor and the names of the translators who worked on the individual books have not been made public. The preface states that there were "about twenty scholars" involved, and fully describes the editorial process.

The New Testament has been substantially revised since its first appearance, incorporating many suggestions made by reviewers associated with the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL). Wallace states that there have been thousands of such changes, and many more to be made in the future. Because the version was primarily designed to be an Internet resource, the editors have freedom to experiment (!!!) with and revise the version as they may see fit.

Now, would you like to talk about agendas ???
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If Joshua in his old age spoke of a future time for his successors to possess the land God promised, then Joshua 23:14 can't mean the land was fully possessed in his day.
Oh, I see – you want to “shift gears” on me now. Earlier you were saying they had it, lost it, and will get it back. But now you want to quibble that Israel did not “fully” possess the land. But you see, God “gave” them the land – Joshua knew it and Israel knew it – Joshua 23:14. They were standing there IN the land. God was driving their enemies out of the land. Joshua 24:28 tells us that Joshua sent them all out to their “inheritance”. The facts that the promise was conditional (Joshua 23:15-16), and that Israel later (after much more “fully possessing” the land) lost the land, do not fit into your theological misunderstandings. Therefore you seek to “condition” the facts to fit your theology.
Try reading the prophets Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah and Isaiah. Their writings state it very differently than you. Jeremiah recorded this:
Jeremiah 29:10 For thus says the LORD: After seventy years are completed at Babylon, I will visit you and perform My good word toward you, and cause you to return to this place.
That some of Israel returned to the land does not mean they “possessed” it again, or that they will in the future. The promise was fulfilled – Israel lost the land due to unfaithfulness – Joshua 23:14-17.

God didn't permanently cut off Israel and Judah at the height of their sins. Here is Ezekiel 16:59-60 59 'For thus says the Lord GOD: "I will deal with you as you have done, who despised the oath by breaking the covenant. 60 " Nevertheless I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you."
God never cut Israel off TOTALLY – there were still prophesies to be fulfilled and the Christ was yet to come along with salvation for all nations through the seed of Abraham. But they LOST THE LAND – just as God said they would and there was NO provision for them to regain it. You will have to get over this as God does not need the land to save man, Jew or Gentile. You are the one that needs the land, to complete your errant notions of theology.
The “everlasting covenant” refers to His NEW covenant for today that God has made and wants to make with everyone that will be saved.

You should know that Jeremiah prophesied that the Jews would return to the land in 70 years...
Returning and repossessing the land are two different things. Israel NEVER got it back, they do not get it back, and they do not need it back! If you ever realize that the land is not needed for the earthly kingdom that was never intended, you may just “get over” the land issue. Set your mind on above…

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