One World Government

computer chips, the mark, verichip, and digital angel look like likely candidates, the company has another branch called government solutions hmmm

Originally posted by GTX
Computer chips (the mark), No more paper currency. One world currency. 

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If it's called the mark, that sounds more like a physical mark and less like a computer chip.  If it's supposed to be a computer chip, then why was it not described as a computer chip?  If you're willing to interpret it as a computer chip, then one may as well interpret it as a tatoo, paint splotch, barcode, or even a fingerprint.  If you're going to stretch this prophesy bit so far, it's not prophesy, just wild interpretation after the fact.

Technology is ripe! The time is nearing, we will see one world government within 20 years I believe.

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That's doubtful, and I further doubt that Bush would ever support a One World Governemnt™.

Maybe if a One World Government™ did come into power we might finally see a cease to the 2000 year old habbit Christians have of telling us the end is near.

Well yeah, because that WOULD be the end and we wouldn't be here.

Originally posted by GTX
Technology is ripe! The time is nearing, we will see one world government within 20 years I believe.

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Not a chance in 20 years.  Though, I have to ask, IF this did happen, and the world didn't end (ie. no rapture), then what?  If there was one world government and everyone was tattoed and microchipped and the prophesy didn't come true, then what?

  Well, I hope you have better luck with your predictions than the last hundred or so generations. They managed to deal with the disapointment when the world didn't end, so you should be fine.

  In the meantime, I'll keep plugging into my 401(k), allright?

 

Doesn´t sound like something the prez would do. And I personally don´t think that´s part of our agenda. I could never see Israel and the Arabite nations in unity.

Goes to show you though. No one will expect the rapture.

No one will know the hour, but we will know the signs.

The one world government will not happen in 20 years and I doubt bush is a supporter of it. To many americans would fight it and other governments (ie China, India, Pakistan, Etc.) for it to happen. 

Who would this leader of the One World government be//
American?...No Arab or Communist country would be involved.

Jewish?... Need I go there.

Arab?...Same

Japaneze?...no way.

Chinese?...Americans would be all for that lol.

I see no way that a One World Government can come into the existence anywhere in the near future. I think the whole world would have to go through a major crisis like it did in Independance Day the movie. chips dont mean a thing. If you must get a chip get it in your left hand and you will be safe.

What would it take to have Caesar force religion? The 'religious clause' of freedom to be a banded? To obliterate the separation of church & state & try to compel morality?

Tom Brocraw on world news told us several months back that the Aids epidemic in Africa was of 'biblical plague proportions'. And the Associated Press reports that China is facing 'explosive' AIDS epidemic. (Friday, June 28, 2002)

Forest fires in the worst degree, for the first time in history, and floods all over the world? Not to mention terrorists.

And never do we hear other than Tom Brocraw on evening news, even suggest that God is telling us something about plagues & judgments? It is a wonder that he was not 'canned' if a retraction was not given.

Then we have the [professed] Christian ministry without a peep! Try Eze. 37? or Eze. 18:23-24 & Eze. 33:6 is a STATED FACT! And we think that when these mounting JUDGMENT'S of God really get going, that these 'ministers' will not check the way the wind blows (polls) and do [anything] to escape the Master's judgments? The U.S. constitution for one? And Who really cares? Anything to get out of the judgments of God!

OK: GOOD BY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. You will then be told what 'god' will have you to do as the majority rule. And where are we ALL going to be living then, at that time?? RIGHT HERE ON EARTH BEING TESTED as to whether we will OBEY GOD or Caesar! Acts 5:29 & Na. 1:9's last part. O'yes, 666.

Bottom line? Lets see what 12 to 24 months ahead bring, if we want to be in the sleeping Laodicean lost group??
Pastor N.B.

The Bible talks about a major empire rising, and it points to another Roman Empire. You knwo that the E.U. is almost exactly that. The original Roman Empire and the E.U. is almost a fit!
There have been many leaders that say that a one world government:

A new world is emerging; man, his concerns, rights and freedoms, are [being] placed at the center of things…the idea of democratizing the entire world has grown into a powerful surge and political force.” Gorbachev in a speaking to U.N. 1988

We see a budding World Order in which peaceful co-existence and mutually beneficial cooperation…will be universal norms.” Gorbachev in Perestroika

The United States of Europe will form the core of a peaceful order…the age prophesied of old, when all shall dwell secure and none shall make them afraid.” German Chancellor Helmut Kohl

To move forward we must recognize that in the midst of a magnificent diversity of cultures…we are one human family and one Earth community with a common destiny. We must join together to bring forth a sustainable global society…” U.N. Earth Charter

speaking about the man who would lead:

“We do not want another committee, we have had too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all peoples and to lift us out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man and be he God or of the devil we will receive him.” Henri Spaak, former secretary general of NATO


I know these are just random quotes. but there are from very significant ppl. and some of them speaking on behalf of the U.N. and NATO...thought that was interesting

Very good points, and let me add even if Bush doesn't support it, he's outta here in 2 years, One World Government is a reality and it's coming!

I would look at Tony Blair as heading up the operation and becoming the UN leader and world leader.

Remember:
The Word of God is using Holy men of God to speak, but that they are using their own 'w'ords, to discribe the thought, as they are 'moved' by the Holy Spirit to write the words. That is why Matt., Mark, Luke and John are not worded the same.

So when you study one word like [mark], for the mark of the beast, think of other words that the bible writters might use. Such as 'signet' or 'sign' or 'seal' as meaning mark. Do a study bassed on 2 Tim. 3:16's teaching & see what your concordance comes up with?

Paul records: "And the spirits of the prophets [are subject to the prophets]." 1 Cor. 14:32 Yet, according to some, John in Rev. 20:10 reports in his words: ".. and shall be tormented day and night for [ever and ever]." Still in verse 9 [he] stated that: ".. and the fire came down from God and [devoured them]." and in the 14th verse ibide. he writes his words to say: "This [is the second DEATH]." ???

So which way is it? well, for me at least, the verse in 2 Tim. 3:16 must be used. So I question the meaning of the word used, such as 'mark'. Also the meaning by John, that of living in hell being tormented day and night for ever and ever! For John also reported in Chapter 22 of Rev. that we (the saved ones) would EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE! (verse 1-2) Try Gen. 3:22?? Do we think that God would let some out of the eternal hell to eat of the tree of life so that they would have immortality?? Not likely!

So, when I think of the 'Mark of the Beast'? I will continue on to think of it being more 'mental' (in the mind & character development) than physical. Like the first 'testing' of Adam & Eve's character, with a tree to [stay away from in the midst of the garden].

By the way, do we think that my favorite disciple (one of the ex/sons of thunder) did not understand the 'end result' of the second death of Obadiah 16's last part??
".. and they [shall be as though they had not been]."

Perhaps we should do a study on this [mark thing] as the Lord requires? That of Matt. 4:4? Isaiah 28:9-10 & 2 Tim. 3:16's, [ALL] word? That might weane us off of the wine of Babylon's confussion? try verse 1 & 7 of Isaiah 28?

Pastor N.B.

No I think it's going to be physical, no man will be able to buy or sell, save he that bears the mark. I am pre trib, so I believe Christians will be raptured before this, however the people that see this and are left are going to have a second chance to redeem themselves by NOT taking the mark, they will be persecuted in the name of Christianity.

Originally posted by Badfish
No I think it's going to be physical, no man will be able to buy or sell, save he that bears the mark. I am pre trib, so I believe Christians will be raptured before this, however the people that see this and are left are going to have a second chance to redeem themselves by NOT taking the mark, they will be persecuted in the name of Christianity.

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Hay, thats OK by me! And you could be right, in part anyhow? We can agree to dis/agree, huh?
Case in point: I believe some 'sports' are very dangerous & presumptuous!
I think of the motor speedway in the southern states in Charlotte South Carolina. (my area) Try Psalms 19:12 and 13. But I am sure that we will be judged by a perfect record book. Eccl. 12:12-14 & Rev. 20:12.

Anyway, back to the main thought: We [openly see] several countries that can/not buy & sell USA goods today. They do not have a VISABLE MARK to my knowledge? Cuba seems to still survive, even if only barely. But as for [the real Christian], as I see it, in the end result they will be handed down the death decree, because the MARK (as in all quarantine cases) will not do the trick of forcing one to dis/obey their conscience. And the death decree will not do the job either! Read Daniel 3:17-18. Ones [mind] will already be set (MARKED or matured) in the moral concrete of CHRIST! see Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9

And the mark in the hand? These to me, represent perhaps the most of society, non/christian & professed ones? Their
attitude (MARK or mental consent) is such as, who cares?? Again, check some in the Ex. 16 chapter, versees 25-28. Yet, these were the professed Christian ones huh? Try Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:14-15 for these.

The 'first table' of the Master's [everlasting Royal covenant] forbids any such yoked alliance & dis/obedience. "Then Peter and the [other apostles] answered and said, [We ought to obey God rather than man]". Acts 5:29

Yet, if you are right? We will know what it is that we are NOT to be a part of, for God will not let any be caught off guard in this FINAL TESTING! Case in point: Adam & Eve were for/warned! And in Ex. 16:4&5 & verse 28 we [see] that for 40 yrs. before they could enter [their] land of Canann in verse 35 ibid. that the [end result] is in KNOWLEDGABLE WARNING!

And the rapture that you talk about? We will agree to disagree on that one for sure! (at this end )

Your true friend in the Master's quickly finished work for the 'house of God FIRST' 1 Peter 4:17.
Pastor N.B.