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I have a Hebrew English Bible (OT and NT in Hebrew). I can look up any passage you want and scan that page for you and email to you. Just let me know if you want it and which exact verse you are looking for. A friend of mine is a native speaker and said the NT modern Hebrew is very accurate, so it should not be a problem to translate into the ancient from it.
 
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I will find out for you tomorrow evening or Saturday afternoon, need to consult the native speaker first. Can you read the cursive/script in Hebrew or do you need the block book print? I will have him write it out for me and scan and send it to you.
 
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I not sure if you wanted. No man comes to the Father but through me. If so:

Ein (alef-yod-nun) ish (alef-yod-shin) ba (bet-alef) el (alef-lamed) ha'av (he-alef-bet) ella (alef-lamed-alef) darkki (dalet-resh-kaf-yod).

There's probably a pun here between haderekh (the way) and darkki (through me, i.e way of me).
 
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shmuel said:
Since you are doing paleo, you won't need the points. So, here goes:

ani (alef-nun-yod) haderekh (he-dalet-resh-kaf) veha'emet (vav-he-alef-mem-tav) vehachayim (vav-he-chet-yod-yod-mem).

It's a nominative sentence, so there is no word corresponding to "AM".
Todah Shmuel,

So, this isn't translated like the 'I AM' is in the tenach? Isn't that how the NAME is translated in the english, I AM? Could the tetragramaton be used there or not?

I thought this was used like in John 8

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

He couldn't have just been saying 'I ' here else they wouldn't have tried to stone him, right?

Could you do me a favor too, in the word you spelled out above, could you put next to each one what the actual word is?

I am guessing you are using only I ( ani) and then ha'derch ( the way) haemet (the truth) ha chayim ( the life) ve= and or plus?

Thanks a bunch Shmuel!
 
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The form in the Tanakh is 'ehyeh (alef-heh-yod-he). In Biblical Hebrew it is an imperfect, which denoted incomplete action without regard to time. (Actually scholars continue to engage in much debate about the verbal system of Biblical Hebrew). In modern Hebrew (which has adopted tenses under the influence of European languages) 'ehyeh means "I will". The tetragrammaton is, of course, yod-he-vav/waw-he, which perhaps is a 3ms imperfect from the root he-vav-he.

The modern Hebrew translation (from the Bible Society of Israel) of Jn 8:58 has "ani hu", literally "I am he".

ani (alef-nun-yod) [the way] haderekh (he-dalet-resh-kaf) [and the truth] veha'emet (vav-he-alef-mem-tav) [and the life] vehachayim (vav-he-chet-yod-yod-mem).

[there is not] Ein (alef-yod-nun) [a man] ish (alef-yod-shin) [coming] ba (bet-alef) [to] el (alef-lamed) [the father] ha'av (he-alef-bet) [but/except] ella (alef-lamed-alef) [through me] darkki (dalet-resh-kaf-yod).
 
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shmuel said:
The form in the Tanakh is 'ehyeh (alef-heh-yod-he). In Biblical Hebrew it is an imperfect, which denoted incomplete action without regard to time. (Actually scholars continue to engage in much debate about the verbal system of Biblical Hebrew). In modern Hebrew (which has adopted tenses under the influence of European languages) 'ehyeh means "I will". The tetragrammaton is, of course, yod-he-vav/waw-he, which perhaps is a 3ms imperfect from the root he-vav-he.

It is supposed to denote, something like, was, is, will be, isn't it? Something like Asher Haya V’hoveh V’yavo?


The modern Hebrew translation (from the Bible Society of Israel) of Jn 8:58 has "ani hu", literally "I am he".

Is that an acurate tranlation by believers? If so I don't understand why they would seek to kill him by saying, before Abraham was, I am he"?

ani (alef-nun-yod) [the way] haderekh (he-dalet-resh-kaf) [and the truth] veha'emet (vav-he-alef-mem-tav) [and the life] vehachayim (vav-he-chet-yod-yod-mem).

[there is not] Ein (alef-yod-nun) [a man] ish (alef-yod-shin) [coming] ba (bet-alef) [to] el (alef-lamed) [the father] ha'av (he-alef-bet) [but/except] ella (alef-lamed-alef) [through me] darkki (dalet-resh-kaf-yod).
Thanks, appreciate it muchly! :)

~Z
 
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Zayit said:
Todah Shmuel,

So, this isn't translated like the 'I AM' is in the tenach? Isn't that how the NAME is translated in the english, I AM? Could the tetragramaton be used there or not?

I thought this was used like in John 8



He couldn't have just been saying 'I ' here else they wouldn't have tried to stone him, right?

Could you do me a favor too, in the word you spelled out above, could you put next to each one what the actual word is?

I am guessing you are using only I ( ani) and then ha'derch ( the way) haemet (the truth) ha chayim ( the life) ve= and or plus?

Thanks a bunch Shmuel!
As for the I am question, it is a subject/verb in this case and not The Name. It holds the same grammatical status as if Y'shua were to have said I am thirsty. Since He is not stating I AM here, ani is correct. I sent a pm to you with a link to the verse in modern Hebrew from my Bible.
 
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So this makes me think Is there anywhere in the New testament that THE NAME ( haShem) of G-d is actually there? I looked up L-RD in the crosswalk concordance ( strongs ) and it translates it 670 times with this Greek word

Kurios

  1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
  2. the possessor and disposer of a thing
    1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
    2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
  3. is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
  4. this title is given to: God, the Messiah
Notice only the last one refers to G-d? but it seems to me this name was already in useage ion Greece and Roman Empires, so is not special to our G-d, the one True G-d, so was it never used, or was it just not able to be translated?

What about Rev 4:8 is not that THE NAME?

Ho en Kai On Kai Erchomai ?
 
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Rev 4:8 uses THE NAME. Any others you need me to look up for you specifically?

From my studies, by the time of Y'shua the Jewish scholars had forgotten how to pronounce the tetergrammaton and that it was replaced with Adonai and other references out of fear of offending HaShem by butchering His Name.

Anywhere the TNK Scripture is quoted by Y'shua, the I AM is present if it was present in the TNK Scripture. There is one particular quote from Isaiah (I think) that Y'shua was reading from Torah in synagogue and then began to speak and referred to Himself as the I AM. In that place, Y-H-V-H is present in the Hebrew. In most places in the new Scriptures (but not all), the I am is only a subject/verb relationship and ani is used.
 
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