In case anyone is interested, here's a short description of the pre-wrath rapture view, which IMO is the best fit to scripture. I'm leaving out a LOT of information to keep it simple. All I'm presenting here, in a nutshell, is a comparison of the chronology of the olivet discourse in Matthew vs. Revelation, to show how the two fit.
There are some simple premises:
1. Tribulation is NOT the same as wrath
2. The Bible not only fails to say that we will be spared tribulation, it says we WILL experience tribulation
3. The Bible says we are not appointed to WRATH
4. The great tribulation begins immediately after the man of sin is revealed (abomination of desolation)
5. At some unknown point during the great tribulation, Jesus returns
6. He gathers His elect (the rapture occurs)
7. The Day of the Lord, which is identified by the celestial signs, ends the great tribulation and begins the period when God pours out His wrath upon the world
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Examine the chronology of events in Matthew 24 and the parallels elsewhere.
Here we see that the great tribulation (great distress) begins with the abomination that causes desolation.
The great tribulation will be cut short. Nobody knows how short, which is one reason why we do not know the hour or the day when the Lord will return. The fact that believers will experience this calls for patience and endurance, and knowledge that Jesus will return in glory, and will return in such a way that it will be unmistakable.
Immediately after the great tribulation is cut short, the celestial signs of the Day of the Lord will occur.
The elect are gathered, which puts the rapture here.
After this, God pours out His wrath upon the world.
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Now let's look at this again from Revelation, starting with Revelation 6. For the sake of brevity, I'll leave out most of the verses, but this should show that it includes great persecution and tribulation.
Now here are the celestial signs that signal the Day of the Lord is about to begin. Note the words, "For the great day of their wrath has come," which identifies this as the END of the great tribulation, and the BEGINNING of God's wrath.
Revelation 7 begins with the sealing of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel for special protection during the outpouring of God's wrath.
Then suddenly there appears this great multitude in heaven from every nation, tribe, people and tongue.
Then one of the elders asks John, who are these folks? John basically says, "darned if I know."
So who are they?
They are the saints from every nation, etc., who have been raptured out of the great tribulation because the time of wrath is about to begin, and we are not appointed to wrath.
There are some simple premises:
1. Tribulation is NOT the same as wrath
2. The Bible not only fails to say that we will be spared tribulation, it says we WILL experience tribulation
3. The Bible says we are not appointed to WRATH
4. The great tribulation begins immediately after the man of sin is revealed (abomination of desolation)
5. At some unknown point during the great tribulation, Jesus returns
6. He gathers His elect (the rapture occurs)
7. The Day of the Lord, which is identified by the celestial signs, ends the great tribulation and begins the period when God pours out His wrath upon the world
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Examine the chronology of events in Matthew 24 and the parallels elsewhere.
Here we see that the great tribulation (great distress) begins with the abomination that causes desolation.
15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel -- let the reader understand-- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains...
21 For then there will be great distress [tribulation], unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-- and never to be equaled again.
The great tribulation will be cut short. Nobody knows how short, which is one reason why we do not know the hour or the day when the Lord will return. The fact that believers will experience this calls for patience and endurance, and knowledge that Jesus will return in glory, and will return in such a way that it will be unmistakable.
22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 26 "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Immediately after the great tribulation is cut short, the celestial signs of the Day of the Lord will occur.
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days, 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
The elect are gathered, which puts the rapture here.
30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
After this, God pours out His wrath upon the world.
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Now let's look at this again from Revelation, starting with Revelation 6. For the sake of brevity, I'll leave out most of the verses, but this should show that it includes great persecution and tribulation.
1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" ...
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
Now here are the celestial signs that signal the Day of the Lord is about to begin. Note the words, "For the great day of their wrath has come," which identifies this as the END of the great tribulation, and the BEGINNING of God's wrath.
12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
Revelation 7 begins with the sealing of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel for special protection during the outpouring of God's wrath.
4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
Then suddenly there appears this great multitude in heaven from every nation, tribe, people and tongue.
9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
Then one of the elders asks John, who are these folks? John basically says, "darned if I know."
13 Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes--who are they, and where did they come from?"
14 I answered, "Sir, you know."
So who are they?
15 And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
They are the saints from every nation, etc., who have been raptured out of the great tribulation because the time of wrath is about to begin, and we are not appointed to wrath.