What does "bring with him" mean? (1 Thessalonians 4:14)
I believe the spirits of Christians who have died are currently in heaven with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8, Philippians 1:21-24, Luke 23:43, Luke 23:46, Acts 7:59).
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America Beware - Christian Be Ready
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I believe the spirits of Christians who have died are currently in heaven with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8, Philippians 1:21-24, Luke 23:43, Luke 23:46, Acts 7:59).
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Hi postrib,
To bring with Him, so we may be also. He is going to bring all that are His to be with Him, not just the dead christians.
Jesus will receive us to Himself, not us to receive Him (John 14:2-3).
Jesus said He would prepare a place for the Church in heaven, then He would come again to receive us to Himself. Why would Jesus prepare a place for us in heaven and then not take us there? At the rapture, He will come to receive us to Himself, "that where I am (heaven), there you may be also." If the rapture occurred at the same time as the second coming, we would go up to the clouds and then immediately come back to earth. That would contradict John 14:2-3
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Amen, and there's no 3rd coming.
I believe Jesus said "In my Father's house are many mansions... I go to prepare a place for you," to show why he was going, not why he was coming back, and to show that he still has great and eternal plans for us in New Jerusalem, where the Father will dwell with us after the millennium (Revelation 21:2-3).
Jesus said "I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also" (John 14:3). Note that he says we will be where he is after he comes again. He says nothing about his making a U-turn back into heaven. And indeed we will be where he is after he comes again: on the earth during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29).
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Hello postrib,
I originally started this thread as a commentary. It was never intended to be a place to debate the pre and post-trib theories. We are going way off course from the intended topic. There was a thread or two that were designed for debating those things, but you will have to search for them. See ya
I originally started this thread as a commentary. It was never intended to be a place to debate the pre and post-trib theories. We are going way off course from the intended topic. There was a thread or two that were designed for debating those things, but you will have to search for them. See ya
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Hi Evee,
No I don't buy into America being Babylon. I do think, however, that there is a possibility that America come be a forerunner, preparing the way for the beast of the EU to emerge on the scene. I see how the WEU states are begging the U.S. to help fund the Rapid Reaction Force. The Europeans want to use it for their defense as well, not just for NATO purposes. And it is all in the name of this "war on terror".
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Evee , jesus has described for us what the end time will be like -
"And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;<SUP> 26</SUP>men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken
If you were to step outside your front door and have a look around you won't see the conditions that jesus has described , Why ? because it's not the end . However , there *are* plenty of signs but I don't believe it will be soon , these things take time .
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