Time is; at hand, short .... HELP

Crankitup · Apr 20, 2006

I used to have what I would describe as a strong faith. After studying some scriptures in relation to end times though I can no longer rely on the glib explanations I previously used for the following scriptures;

I Corinthians 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none. ; Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servantsthings which must shortly take place. ; James 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!

These scriptures and about 4 others indicate that the early church considered Christ was about to return in a matter of days, months or years, and certainly not millenia. Although I don't have a problem with anything in the gospels, I now seriously doubt whether the other books that make up the NT canon were actually inspired.

Can anybody help?

vinsight4u · Apr 20, 2006

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Crankitup · Apr 20, 2006

vinsight4u said:
Here's some other things to add in to show us that Jesus has yet to return...

Rev. 2:25-26"....hold fast till I come...keepeth my works unto the end..."

Luke 19:13"...Occupy till I come."

1 Cor. 11:26"For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup...till he come."

Hosea 10:11-12....till he come and rain righteousness upon you."
Righteousness won't come on Israel till as we are told in Daniel 9:24.
at the end of the seventy weeks
then upon Jerusalem will be righteousness

Thank you for your time in trying to assist me but I haven't said in my original question that I think Jesus has returned already. I know he hasn't. That's why I have some doubts about some of the books that make up the NT canon and whether they were inspired if their authors thought Jesus' return was imminent.

vinsight4u · Apr 20, 2006

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Crankitup · Apr 20, 2006

vinsight4u said:
Jesus told His generation that they would not see any signs from heaven - yet the endtimes will have many signs - Jesus told His generation that they would get only one sign and that is the sign of Jonas.

Maathew 12:39-40"...there shall no sign be given...but the sign of the prophet Jonas..."

Luke 21:25"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations..."

At first glance this appeared promising, but when I read the scriptures in context (a few verses before & after the verses you quoted), it was not so. Mt 12 was Jesus answering the Pharisees when they asked him for a sign (i.e. for a sign that He was who He said He was). Lk 21 was Jesus answering His disciples about the end of the age.

vinsight4u · Apr 20, 2006

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Jipsah · Apr 20, 2006

vinsight4u said:
We are not to take it as everything in Revelation was to happen quickly - as in shortly.

Even though that's what it says. I seriously doubt that any such blatant attempt to evade what the Scripture clearly states is gonna restore anyone's faith in the integrity of the Bible.

zaire · Apr 20, 2006

vinsight4u said:
We find that Jesus spoke of three world wars before the time of the man of sin can even begin. The man of sin time will bring WWIV.

Mark 13:7"...wars and rumours of wars....not troubled..."

As in World War I
World War II
and a time of not having a world war
and these are all be ye not troubled as the end is not yet

Then we find in verse 8 that nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom and this will be the beginning of sorrows -as in now be troubled folks as this is the endtime starting up.
WWIII
The time of Daniel 11:14-19
Iraq against Israel

The man of sin will come in as the ruler of Iraq at verse 21 as the vile person.

7When you hear of wars and rumored wars, keep your head and don't panic. This is routine history, and no sign of the end. 8Nation will fight nation and ruler fight ruler, over and over. Earthquakes will occur in various places. There will be famines. But these things are nothing compared to what's coming.

So this mean:

WW1, WW2, rumours of wars, WW3

????

Interesting, never heard those verses explained like that.

vinsight4u · Apr 20, 2006

Crankitup · Apr 20, 2006

Does anyone have any other forums they could give me the links for that I should be posing this question at?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 20, 2006

Crankitup said:
I used to have what I would describe as a strong faith. After studying some scriptures in relation to end times though I can no longer rely on the glib explanations I previously used for the following scriptures;

I Corinthians 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none. ; Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. ; James 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand.
9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door!

These scriptures and about 4 others indicate that the early church considered Christ was about to return in a matter of days, months or years, and certainly not millenia. Although I don't have a problem with anything in the gospels, I now seriously doubt whether the other books that make up the NT canon were actually inspired.

Can anybody help?

Use IN SWIFTNESS instead of Shortly . This is what makes the "historicist" view look rather unbiblical. Either it is ALL future or ALL past in my view, and it will be over pretty quickly.

Matt 24:22 "And unless those days were shortened [#2856], no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

2856. koloboo kol-ob-o'-o from a derivative of the base of 2849; to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:--shorten.2849. kolazo kol-ad'-zo from kolos (dwarf); properly, to curtail, i.e. (figuratively) to chastise (or reserve for infliction):--punish.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet IN SWIFTNESS [#5034]. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants -- things which must take place IN SWIFNESS [#5034]. And He sent and signified [it] by His angel to His servant John,

[SIZE=+2] en <1722> tacei <5034> [/SIZE]5034. tachos takh'-os from the same as 5036; a brief space (of time), i.e. (with 1722 prefixed) in haste:--+ quickly, + shortly, + speedily.5036. tachus takh-oos' of uncertain affinity; fleet, i.e. (figuratively) prompt or ready:--swift.

30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing [it.] For the form/fasion of this world is passing away.

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