Is this a Christian forum or a Castro Street bar?

HotToast · Apr 19, 2006

Willtor said:
You know, I think hypothetical ethical questions are fairly absurd by definition. Macrina and LOVEthroughINTELLECT started their threads because of the sheer volume of such questions. They thought it was overdone, and, frankly, I agreed with them. Would you marry someone who 'x'? Would you marry someone who 'y'? Would you marry someone who 'z'?

I would agree that the number of hypothetical ethical is geeting ridiculous. And I chose not to reply to those threads. It was however obvious that Macrina's thread was only a joke, and so I had no problems with reading and reply to that thread. There were also others who could see that it was a joke and had no problems participating in that thread.

I know that I have a bizarre sense of humour. I guess that I and others who share a bizarre sense of humour need to be more mindful that it may bring down our brothers and sisters in Christ who do not share this sense of humour.

Romans 14 is ringing with me at the moment. So I don't know I guess what I am saying is maybe we need to be a bit more mindful of what might cause our brothers and sisters in Christ to stumble.

kisstheson · Apr 19, 2006

HotToast said:
I would agree that the number of hypothetical ethical is geeting ridiculous. And I chose not to reply to those threads. It was however obvious that Macrina's thread was only a joke, and so I had no problems with reading and reply to that thread. There were also others who could see that it was a joke and had no problems participating in that thread.

I know that I have a bizarre sense of humour. I guess that I and others who share a bizarre sense of humour need to be more mindful that it may bring down our brothers and sisters in Christ who do not share this sense of humour.

Romans 14 is ringing with me at the moment. So I don't know I guess what I am saying is maybe we need to be a bit more mindful of what might cause our brothers and sisters in Christ to stumble.[/quote]

Thank you. That was very thoughtful and kind of you. I appreciate it.

kelco · Apr 19, 2006

I guess what really bothers me most about all this is not the polls and the parody threads (I thought they were funny, so shoot me at dawn) but the way a bunch of supposedly adult people are acting like little children. You say it's ok to be different and not to attack people who are different, but a couple of people tried to bring a little humor and lightheartedness to this forum and have been attacked and condemned without a trial. You say "would God approve of these threads?" Actually would God approve of the way these 2 people have been treated by the majority. One of these people has had personal attacks against them. Is this being a Christian? Remember when you point a finger there are 4 pointing back at you.

charlie_hunter · Apr 19, 2006

should everyone just go back to posts complaining about their single status then??

jamiepr79 · Apr 19, 2006

no, but a lot of these topics shouldn't be around, the NT warns about longing for these type of things or even discussing them.

innocent as doves

intricatic · Apr 19, 2006

Argent said:
If you're refering to my thread "Would you marry a former sex-industry worker?", I'll ask you to read the sincere responses to a question that is germain to the times in which we live. The sex-industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that employs a lot of people in front of the camera, as well as behind. We can only hope, and expect, that some of these people will come to the Lord, as new creations, but with their worldly pasts. I think my question is one we should all consider in that it should also cause us to consider our own standing before the Lord and before the brethren.

Also, "Would you marry....?" is considerably different to "Would you date....?"

And, the threads about aliens, I'm sure you realize are for humor only. If you can't see the humor in them, then don't participate in the discourse.

I agree completely.

BeautyForAshes · Apr 19, 2006

I would suspect that it people HAVE had issues with that being linked to CF which is why it was brought it to Erwin's attention and therefore that resolution has been established (report it to Erwin and he gets rid of it).

In regards to those threads, people HAVE now brought it up to everyone's attention. The next step is finding a resolution.

I think if everyone would just calm down and actually think about things instead of seeing who can throw the largest stone at one another, a solution could be found.

HotToast · Apr 19, 2006

BeautyForAshes said:
I think if everyone would just calm down and actually think about things instead of seeing who can throw the largest stone at one another, a solution could be found.

I don't know if you actually have me in mind when you write this. Probably not, but I thought I ought to say that it is not my intent to throw stones at anyone. I was merely pondering out loud.

BeautyForAshes · Apr 19, 2006

HotToast said:
I don't know if you actually have me in mind when you write this. Probably not, but I thought I ought to say that it is not my intent to throw stones at anyone. I was merely pondering out loud.

Not just you, but everyone - many who have posted in this thread. (Ex. The post earlier in this thread when kisstheson posted and it was deemed "spam" - as it no one else has ever copied their post from another thread in posted it somewhere else). :doh:

Like I said earlier, judging by the tone and behavior of many, heaven forbid if anyone ever has an issue with anything that goes on in Singles Forum - because it obvious that somewhere in our bible studies, classroom studies, and sermons many of us missed out on the lesson of how to disagree without seeing who can find the biggest stone to throw at one another. It doesn't seem to matter if its brought up in a tactful way either.

Now that's childish IMO......

ChasingADream · Apr 19, 2006

Irascible said:
I was just wondering. It's getting pretty smutty in here. Legitimate questions are one thing. One upping each other with the most preposterous questions centering on sick lifestyles, be they in jest or not, is another.

Yes, my thread was meant as a joke, and I can understand now how you may find it tasteless. It was not a legitimate question that I postd. I apologise for offending you. Honestly, I sencerely do.

However, I have to ask...who are you to judge whether the other "Would you date a _______" threads were legitimate or not? You are not the OP. Isn't it possible that their question really was legit?

Let me pose this question to you, would you also have a problem with a thread titled: "Would you date a smoker?" or "Would you date someone previously divorced?".

If you would object to those then could you kindly explain why? If you wouldn't object to them then would you kindly explain the difference between those and the threads you are against.

Thank you.

Irascible · Apr 19, 2006

ChasingADream said:
who are you to judge whether the other "Would you date a _______" threads were legitimate or not?

It's an unpopular notion. But the fact of the matter is that the Bible calls us to make judgements. There is absolutely no way to follow the Biblical command to hold each other accountable unless we make judgements about behaviors.

We can disagree about the appropriateness of making a mockery of sexual sin. But the "Who are you to judge?" argument is a nonstarter. I am no one other than your brother in Christ. According to the Bible thats all I need to be.

As far as your hypothetical questions go, I answered them already a couple pages back:

Irascible said:
I agree Carmi that there is room for serious thought on such topics. It may surprise Argent to know that I have no problem with discussing such things. And to quickly answer some of them, I could potentially date a former anything. It's not where we've been but where we're going that counts.

I wasn't attempting to address such discussion but rather the spirit of the forum that has been of late. These three in particular are the worst offenders:
Would you marry a gay high-maintenance drug-addicted alien inappropriate content star?
Would Christ have ever pondered the question in jest?
Would you RATHER marry a gay high-maintenance druggie alien inappropriate content star or Tom Cruise?
It was meant as fun. But talking flippantly about such perversion is not Christ like IMO. Certainly its in stark contrast to Philippians 4:8.
Would you date a transsexual?
An absurd question to ask a Christian forum. Transsexuals need healing, not a date.

Now throw in a bunch of other rather absurd but innocent threads, parody threads, copycat threads and a choking number of polls and it was my considered opinion that it wasn't quite right in here. Aside from the specifics of the forum there is a spirit to it as well. The spirit took a hit lately IMO. People may disagree. But they'd have to have their eyes closed to dismiss my point as baseless.

Just to be pointlessly redundant, you'd have to be blind not to see the oddity of late. It's not a good thing. It's not the end of the world either. And I'm sure it will pass. I was content to let this thread pass as well. But you addressed me directly, so I thought it polite to answer.

Irascible · Apr 19, 2006

FYI: Please no one else address me further as you will not get an answer. Lock the thread or keep talking, I don't care. I am finished with this thread and I'm finished with CF.

That there is socially acceptable sin within the church is no big surprise. But I'm at my wit's end in dealing with it. The very idea that Christ would crack jokes about inappropriate content stars and gay druggies is something I'd expect from Christian hating liberal activists. Yet I have to argue the point over and over with people who call themselves by a name that means Christ like.

The exact same tired arguments I'm hearing about judgementalism, finger pointing and so on are the same ones used by the inappropriate content stars and gay druggies for their behavior. When you mimic their reasoning you take away any reason for salvation. All they have to do is repeat their words, which are now your words, back to you: "Stop pointing fingers. Who are you to judge?". A call to accountability, whether it be Christian brother to brother regarding behavior or God to sinner regarding salvation, always involves judgement or the use there of.

carmi · Apr 19, 2006

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I am closing this thread as that is what the op asks for.

I don't believe this thread was started to judge others, point a finger at others.

I do believe this thread was started to find a way to bring in balance. Not only serious thread and not only fun threads.

And I believe that if we could get past this "was this addressed at me?", "did I do something wrong?", "did I cause this?" and meet together at "what can I do to help this situation" / "what can we do?" - I believe we'd reach a good starting point for this Single Forum.

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