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peepnklown said:
Do you find it fair to compare a God and a human? Would you compare Moses and God? Would you compare King David and God? Would you compare Paul and God?
This thread seems dishonest.

Nope, because they didn't claim to be god, and the bible didn't say that Moses would come as the Messiah, nor King David. You look at Jesus as a man, that we decided to make god, but he isn't just a man, and never claimed to be.
 
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warghaha said:
I thought the OP is a copy 'n paste work.:eek: So it's you who wrote the OP?:eek:

Well, if it's you who wrote the OP, then I'm glad I'm talking to the one who wrote that down. Ok, it's not your intention to putting anyone down. But I'm still confuse with this line: "Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!

He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear. "


Can I know your honest explanation for that line? Are you saying you know that I'm not leaving Islam because of the scare tactics taught by Islam? It's funny thing I must say. Only God knows what's in our heart. I don't know if Christianity teach you can know what's in someone heart(if so, this is a new thing in Christianity I must say because for all my life, I never heard Jesus said Christians can know what's in one heart).

Salaam.

Man, I didn't write any of this, do you just not understand anything that I am telling you?
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
Man, I didn't write any of this, do you just not understand anything that I am telling you?
I felt so relief to hear you're not the author:). And I'm sorry to misunderstand you're the author :sorry:

Then, see this post >> http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=23494614&postcount=16 << ;)

May I ask you something. Do you agree with the author when he said Muslims won't leave Islam out of fear?

Salaam.
 
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warghaha said:
I felt so relief to hear you're not the author:). And I'm sorry to misunderstand you're the author :sorry:

Then, see this post >> http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=23494614&postcount=16 << ;)

May I ask you something. Do you agree with the author when he said Muslims won't leave Islam out of fear?

Salaam.

No, I don't think that is the only reason, so I guess I don't agree with him on that statement.
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
No, I don't think that is the only reason, so I guess I don't agree with him on that statement.
Thanks for your honest reply.:)

Another one if you don't mind.

Do you agree with him when he said Muslims don't love Allah? >> "Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!"

Salaam.:)
 
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warghaha said:
Thanks for your honest reply.:)

Another one if you don't mind.

Do you agree with him when he said Muslims don't love Allah? >> "Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!"

Salaam.:)

Ummmm, I would say that is not true, but I would have no idea, since I have never heard any of you say you love him.
 
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BigChristfilm said:
"Mohammed vs Jesus, the Christ" Comparison of Teachings of Mohammed With Teachings of Jesus From Messengers of Christ Ministries, Andrew Neckar Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Heheh goody goody my favorite topic.

So then Andrew Nector would saw Moses was a Prophet of War, and also, Abraham , David, and Solomon

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Your repeating our self. But any how, Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

Likewise was Prophet Moses

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Your a bit exagerating, but in a whole nut shell, likewise did Prophet Moses.

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Geesh, boy are you cluster phobic ! Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

How many time are you going to rant and repeat your self ? Anyhow, Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Geesh, synonymous repeats, Likewise did Prophet Moses

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language.


Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced (in His statement on many false prophets arising) Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

You basically cant think of anything else and are stuck like a broken record in recycling the same accusation in synonymous sequience.

Now that you have empty your barel, you have proven a very verey very vaild point, to which you own G-d given intellect recognizes.

Our prophet Muhammad and prophet Moses are just like each other, whereas prophet Jesus is REMOTE from being like Moses, but unique having no comparison to any other man in history, correct ?

I made my Chess move, now I am waiting for yours. I got you right where I want you.

Note : For the rest of you Christians reading this, dont jump in and PM your budy on the side to inform him of the web that is being laid for him. Be nice, and wait you turn after your associate answers my question. :wave:
 
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In addition to what Brother Oxy has written, Christians are shy of stasting what their bible writers wrote about the 'real' Jesus. Read this for those who believe the christioans selective reasoning of the non violent jesus to also be the the slaughterer of humans:

13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."
(Revelation 19)
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
Ummmm, I would say that is not true, but I would have no idea, since I have never heard any of you say you love him.
Lol. Do we need to post on every forum and write it on every single post, we love Allah? Do we need to say "I love Allah" everytime we meet Christians?:D.

We love Allah and we show our love.

But anyway, you'd found my reason why I post my first post on this thread. I doubt he's sincere enough when he wrote the article.

Salaam.
 
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Oxy,

Your response isn't really that robust at all. You haven't really demonstrated that Moses was like Mohammed. The bible and the quran both record that God personally destroyed drove out and subdued Israel's enemies. Mohammed had to pay for and raise a private army. Further to that, even we were to use your Quran you could prove most of the similarities you draw between Mohammed and Moses, so I assume you're using the bible to make that comparison. Now based on the bible, I would say that you really aren't well read in Torah based on your response. Mohammed taught Moses was a real prophet. Moses didn't testify any about Mohammed except in reference to false prophets and diliquency concerning Ishmael:

GE 16:12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."

And

DT 18:21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Wasn't the antichrist suppose to appear at the battle at Constantinopole?
 
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Big Chris wrote:

Man, I didn't write any of this, do you just not understand anything that I am telling you?

My comment:

I've seen this before that you seem to think it's OK to copy and paste stuff without doing much research yourself or reflecting on it...

- Art
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
Nope, because they didn't claim to be god,

When did Muhammad claim to be God? I mean, if you want to compare so-called prophets to a person you believe to be God, why stop at Muhammad?
 
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Hey oxy, do you think you are talking to Jews or Christians, It's not called Mosesism, somewhere in there you confussed Christ's diciples with Moses' deciples?
that wasn't the point. both could be seen as equals (prophets), and both have done the same for their god.
 
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peepnklown said:
When did Muhammad claim to be God? I mean, if you want to compare so-called prophets to a person you believe to be God, why stop at Muhammad?
I believe they made the muhammad the Last Prophet to come like unto Moses, so that appears to leave the jews without one in the future?

Acts 3:22 Moses, indeed, said--A prophet, unto you, shall the Lord God raise up among your brethren, like unto me: unto him, shall ye hearken respecting all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you.

(Young) Mark 9:7 And there came a cloud overshadowing them, and there came a Voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved, hear ye him!!!!;'

(Young) Mark 12:29 and Jesus answered him--`The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;
 
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BigChrisfilm said:
(Credit-KalEl76)

"Mohammed vs Jesus, the Christ" Comparison of Teachings of Mohammed With Teachings of Jesus From Messengers of Christ Ministries, Andrew Neckar Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

He that takes up the sword shall die by the sword.

In other words, we are not called to refute Islam by arguing against it. We are called to refute Islam by behaving as Our Lord would behave; with love and compassion, and with total and absolute acceptance. And by refraining from judging from the outside what is in the hearts of the followers of Islam. That is known only to God.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples; that you love one another as I have loved you."
 
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Catherineanne said:
He that takes up the sword shall die by the sword.

In other words, we are not called to refute Islam by arguing against it. We are called to refute Islam by behaving as Our Lord would behave; with love and compassion, and with total and absolute acceptance. And by refraining from judging from the outside what is in the hearts of the followers of Islam. That is known only to God.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples; that you love one another as I have loved you."
2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
 
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benmaarof said:
2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

(Young) Matthew 10:34 `Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;

(Rotherham) Ezekiel 38:21 Then will I call against him, every terror, Declareth My Lord Yahweh, the sword of every man against his brother, shall be;
 
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benmaarof said:
2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."


Taken out of context. The passage refers to Israelites, would had made a covenant to obey the God's law or face punishment:

12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
 
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2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
(Young) Matthew 10:34 `Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the earth; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;

(Rotherham) Ezekiel 38:21 Then will I call against him, every terror, Declareth My Lord Yahweh, the sword of every man against his brother, shall be;
elijah115 said:
Taken out of context. The passage refers to Israelites, would had made a covenant to obey the God's law or face punishment:

12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
:thumbsup:He also brought a NC to take away their sins.

Romans 11:6 and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, `There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob, 27 and this to them [is] the covenant from Me, when I may take away their sins.'

(Young) Isaiah 27:9 Therefore by this is the iniquity of Jacob covered, And this [is] all the fruit--To take away his sin, in His setting all the stones of an altar, As chalkstones beaten in pieces, They rise not--shrines and images.

Isaiah 59:20 And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah. 21 And I--this [is] My covenant with them, said Jehovah, My Spirit that [is] on thee, And My words that I have put in thy mouth, Depart not from thy mouth, And from the mouth of thy seed, And from the mouth of thy seed's seed, said Jehovah, From henceforth unto the age!

Jerem 31:33 For this [is] the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
 
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