Jesus vs Mohammed

Yusuf Evans · Apr 16, 2006

I don't know if you guys heard the argument about this one. I got this off of MySpace, the Orthodox Group(of which I'm a member

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"Mohammed vs Jesus, the Christ" Comparison of Teachings of Mohammed With Teachings of Jesus From Messengers of Christ Ministries, Andrew Neckar Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language.

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced (in His statement on many false prophets arising) Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:

The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16).

Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.

Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!

He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.

The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (John 4:19) We love him, because he first loved us.

Here is the link for it in order to comply with the rules.

http://http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=15426772&adTopicID=27&categoryID=0&IsSticky=0&groupID=100046910&Mytoken=AE3C726B-12DC-78EE-78D8E05D134F8DF669189077

Jebediah · Apr 16, 2006

That would be more compelling with some Quran quotes to back up the claims.

Emkay · Apr 16, 2006

I enjoyed reading your thread! I've bookmarked it for when I want to read it again. Probably the best thing about it is that it is so true as a historical analysis will show.

I really liked one of the last ones:
Muhammad's tomb: occupied; Jesus' tomb: empty.

That is perhaps the most truest statement ever.

Dylan_Chica · Apr 16, 2006

i bookmarked it too, great read!
islam is a perverted religion.

muzzleofbees · Apr 16, 2006

It's true that Jesus and Mohammed had different approaches in their ministries. However, it should be pointed out that even though Jesus was more the wandering non-violent preacher type, those who built a church in his name certainly took the Mohammed approach at different times throughout Christian history.

Redwolf · Apr 16, 2006

muzzleofbees said:
It's true that Jesus and Mohammed had different approaches in their ministries. However, it should be pointed out that even though Jesus was more the wandering non-violent preacher type, those who built a church in his name certainly took the Mohammed approach at different times throughout Christian history.

Those who took a different approach to the one taught by Christ, can hardly be called Christians.
It is a slur on Christ's name to do so.
Don't you think?

Jebediah · Apr 16, 2006

Redwolf said:
Those who took a different approach to the one taught by Christ, can hardly be called Christians.
It is a slur on Christ's name to do so.
Don't you think?

No True Scotsman Fallacy.

BarbB · Apr 16, 2006

muzzleofbees said:
It's true that Jesus and Mohammed had different approaches in their ministries. However, it should be pointed out that even though Jesus was more the wandering non-violent preacher type, those who built a church in his name certainly took the Mohammed approach at different times throughout Christian history.

True. The Church was not an example of Christian charity all these 2000 years.

S Walch · Apr 16, 2006

Jebediah said:
No True Scotsman Fallacy.

Race and religion are two completely different things.

I don't see why people compare them both.

The "No true Scotsman "Fallacy" " is a fallcy in itself.

Jebediah · Apr 16, 2006

S Walch said:
Race and religion are two completely different things.

I don't see why people compare them both.

The "No true Scotsman "Fallacy" " is a fallcy in itself.

Learn some logic. Has nothing to do with race, and it is a logical fallacy. Just because you don't like it doesn't change anything.

You assert "all elements of set 'x' have property 'p'"
I respond "here is an element of set 'x' that does not have property 'p'"
You then assert "ah, but that is not a true member of set 'X'!"

Sorry. Just like on this website, it is impossible for anyone except God to judge anyone claiming to be Christian as "not a true Christian", regardless of how that makes you feel. Plenty of "true Christians" have done awful things...people are sinners, Christians as much as any.

S Walch · Apr 16, 2006

Does that mean you disagree with St. Paul?

1 Corinthians 5:9-13

9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11 What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people.
12 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you."

Which is inconjunction with what Jesus says in Matthew 18:15-17

15 "If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. 16 But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. 17 If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church judges you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

imind · Apr 16, 2006

it always amazes that those who claim to have such strong faith must always cling to these non-sensical comparisons to justify it.

i am also unsettled at how often i must remind supposed christians not to lie, and that to state an unknown as fact is a lie.

if you don't want to educate yourself on the muslim religion, fine, i have no problem with that. but don't claim to know anything about it after refusing to learn about it; don't claim to know truth about something you adamantly avoid.

christ is god, muhammad was a prophet, and any comparison is faulted from the beginning.

again, i must ask. is your faith so weak as to need this 'justification'.

CrazyforYeshua · Apr 16, 2006

S Walch said:
Does that mean you disagree with St. Paul?

1 Corinthians 5:9-13

9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11 What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people.
12 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you."

Which is inconjunction with what Jesus says in Matthew 18:15-17

15 "If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. 16 But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. 17 If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church judges you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

When people who know Yeshua see other people who supposedly know Him doing things like blowing up abortion clinics, or divorcing to remarry their neighbor, we have every right to judge. Those of us who know Him and know His character, and His heart, know what He would and wouldn't tell us to do. Yeshua also tells us "you will know them by their fruit".

For the OP, good post!

Eruliel · Apr 16, 2006

imind said:
i am also unsettled at how often i must remind supposed christians not to lie, and that to state an unknown as fact is a lie.

Wouldn't stating the Ressurrection as fact to a skeptic world be telling a lie?
What I mean is this. We (Christians) know that Christ rose from the dead because the testimony of the Apostles is true, but the world does not know that. Therefore the Ressurrection of Christ to them is an unknown and stating an unknown as fact is a lie, and is percieved as a lie by the sceptics.
Not that I'm promoting blatent lying. I'm just pointing out that alot of things we believe can be and are viewed as lies by the world simply because they don't know.

imind said:
christ is god, muhammad was a prophet, and any comparison is faulted from the beginning.

Amen.

Slainte!
Eruliel

Jebediah · Apr 16, 2006

S Walch said:
Does that mean you disagree with St. Paul?

1 Corinthians 5:9-13

9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11 What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people.
12 It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you."

Which is inconjunction with what Jesus says in Matthew 18:15-17

15 "If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the fault. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. 16 But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by two or three witnesses. 17 If that person still refuses to listen, take your case to the church. If the church judges you are right, but the other person won't accept it, treat that person as a pagan or a corrupt tax collector.

So where does judging people's actions and confronting them is the same as posthumously deciding they aren't Christians at all?

Look at the logic...St. Paul says among believers. So if those those bad boys and girls aren't "true Christians", then you shouldn't judge them. If they are "true Christians" then you are supposed to try to correct them, not simply decide "well, I didn't like what they did, so they aren't true Christians". You get cought in a loop if you do.

Also, you have to think about who Paul was writing to...leaders of the Church in Corinth who were experiencing specific issues.

But go ahead, rewrite the past to suit your ego and need to look good. That's what this era and especially "Christianity 2.0" is all about. Have fun with that.

S Walch · Apr 17, 2006

Just because you don't like it doesn't change what St. Paul said.

St. Paul doesn't say "True Christians" He says "those that CLAIM to be "Christians" (1 Cor. 5:11)

He even tells us not to even EAT with such people. And tells us to "Remove the evil person from among you" - What do you think that means? That we stil consider them Christians, even though we've "removed" them from the Church?

The Church = Body of believers - therefore anyone who is removed from the Church, isn't a member of the body of believers anymore. It's quite clear.

And so what if he was writing to the Church at Corinth - so that means we have to disregard everything he says in 1 and 2 Corinthians because he didn't specifically write it to us?

Or is it because you don't like being corrected yourself?

imind · Apr 17, 2006

Wouldn't stating the Ressurrection as fact to a skeptic world be telling a lie?

yes, we are called to believe, and that entails having faith. we can easily state our beliefs without attributing them to fact.

at the end of the day, we don't know this to be true anymore than a skeptic.

For the OP, good post!

not really.

PretzelMonger · Apr 17, 2006

Back to basics ... who's a Christian? Read John 3:16.

Jebediah · Apr 17, 2006

S Walch said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't change what St. Paul said.

St. Paul doesn't say "True Christians" He says "those that CLAIM to be "Christians" (1 Cor. 5:11)

He even tells us not to even EAT with such people. And tells us to "Remove the evil person from among you" - What do you think that means? That we stil consider them Christians, even though we've "removed" them from the Church?

The Church = Body of believers - therefore anyone who is removed from the Church, isn't a member of the body of believers anymore. It's quite clear.

And so what if he was writing to the Church at Corinth - so that means we have to disregard everything he says in 1 and 2 Corinthians because he didn't specifically write it to us?

Or is it because you don't like being corrected yourself?

This is still about confronting Christians, not deciding post-humously who was or wasn't Christian based on what tickles our fancy. People did bad things in God's name, and pretending they weren't Christians because it makes us look bad is disingenuous and dishonest. We end up like the American government, trying to present its own founding as some heroic western movie when really there it was mostly slaughter of Native Americans.

And really, none of this has anything to do with the No True Scotsman Fallacy, which is what you argued with. I have not been corrected, I just don't want to pick and choose what folow out of the Bible. Judge not, work out your own salvation, etc etc etc don't just dissapear because you say so.

But once again, you already want to rewrite history and say that logical fallacies you know nothing about don't exist, why care about a silly thing like consistency or historical accuracy?

QuantaCura · Apr 17, 2006

S Walch said:
therefore anyone who is removed from the Church, isn't a member of the body of believers anymore. It's quite clear.

Kind of like what happened to the "Reformers".

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