Does this class touching yourself as a sin?

Dear SteadyRock


I sure hope we weren't supposed to cut things off to stop it or I sure couldn't
be on this computer.

Couldn't type,
Couldn't see the screen
Couldn't hear the TV
Couldn't walk

Matter of fact I wouldn't be able to think.


I would be in quite a fix. Why I wouldn't even be able to stand up at the toilet.


I wrote a term paper on this and I think it was prejudice. I think I put to much of my feeling into it.



Anyways this is something that every young person thinks about.



I guess I'm not the one to talk about this.




THEN IS SURLEY THE TIME YOU DO NOT WANT TO REMEMBER:




XEven though you can't see Him, GOD is there!O
( click on the X and move to the O ) ( then feel who is around you )

Good try but not right and it’s important to understand what Christ was saying here or we loose a huge piece of understanding Christianity.

You are taking the passages out of the whole context. You have to think about who he is addressing and why. Jesus was making a point about salvation and the commandments. He was talking to Jews who felt that the law and following the law was all that was needed for Gods grace and salvation. His point was that you can’t follow the law. You need a savor to even get close. It is not enough to simply obey the “law”. (Jewish Law, the 10 commandments.) You have to change your heart and to do that you need a savior. You need to treat sin as seriously as if you had to cut off a piece of your own body.

He is not saying cut off your hands and pluck out your eye so you will not touch. That’s nothing more than a commandment. He already knows that we are sinners. He wants to illustrate to us that we are sinners and that is what the passage is trying to say.

This subject of sin and masturbation is an old one and really a moot point when it comes to ones salvation. Everyone one seems to want to know where the legal line is when it comes to obeying God. Well, that’s the real problem and that’s the very problem Jesus was addressing with those very words. Our salvation does not rest with us simply following the commandments. It’s about our relationship with Christ and what’s in our hearts.

I think you are reading far too much into it. Jesus is talking about lust here, not physical sex. He is talking about filling your mind with fantasies (as opposed to healthy, normal sexual desires) that could lead to evil. The cutting off of the hand is figurative. It simply means to get rid of your sin. Even a person with no right hand or with no eye can lust after someone or something.

Only you can decide for yourself if masturbation is a sin. Others can give their opinions, and we can all argue our stand on it, but it is one of those things that is left up to individual conviction. You can't decide for another person if masturbating is a sin, you can only decide how God speaks to your own heart.

GOD IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS...SO HE IF THAT IS WHAT HE MEANT HE WOULD HAVE INCLUDED THE LEFTIES.
OR HAVE REQUESTED THAT YOU DIS-MEMBER,
(NO PUN INTENDED) THE REAL CULPRIT....AT LEAST YOU CAN USE YOUR HANDS FOR OTHER THINGS LOL

SERIOUSLY...SELF GRATIFICATION...IS A FORM OF LUST....TAKING AN ACT THAT SHOULD BE BETWEN A
MARRIED COUPLE. AS AN ACT OF LOVE AND FOR PRO-CREATION....AND USING IT SELFISHLY TO GRATIFY ONE'S SEXUAL LUST....LUST IS SIN...AND GOD TELLS US TO RESIST THE DEVIL

Jam 4:7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


Gal 5:16[This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.



Gal 5:17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

SteadyRock said:

I posted this in the guys teen forum too.

Ok heres the thing.

Before I even start I know you guys are gonna HATE this! Or argue it til you are blue in the face. But maybe one or two will see what I see and agree(would be nice)


Ok heres the logic. Almost any passage in the Bible has to be taken in context, yes? Ok.

Well here is the verse I want to discuss, in context.




The context is adultery. The whole of this short passage is about adultery. Jesus is talking about lust and mentions if your eye offends you(you look at something and dwell on it to the point of lust) you should pluck it out.

He does not change his train of thought. He says, 'And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.'

So this is Jesus linking the 'right hand' to lust and adultery. Is there a tiny possiblity that he was thinking on touching yourself at this time? (excuse the graphicness of it please) For a right-handed person, you do everytihng with your right hand. So what can you do, sexually and regards to lust, with your 'right hand'?!

If this is so, then notice one crutial word in that sentence, 'SIN'. If this is right then this is proof that touching yourself is a sin.

Take it as you will. I am interested to see replies.

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Masturbation is a sin because you are giving into fleshly desires and not thinking spiritually

Those verses have absolutley nothing to do with masturbation.

Jesus was addressing the pharisees who stressed external righteousness - doing the right things the right way. Jesus was paroding the absurdity of their values. What Jesus was saying was "If righteousness is something external, who don't you just cut off your hands or take out your eyes. Then you would be incapable of sin." Jesus was very good at using his oppenents' agruements against them.

John
NZ

There's no True Master in masturbation .

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. <-----> Matthew 5:27-30

Clearly , Jesus is issuing a strong warning against human beings continuing in sin : stating quite plainly that such will lead to our own permanent destruction .

Hence , if the only way for us to cease from the practice of sinning against God is to take an outrageously extreme step - even that would be preferable to not discontinuing our sinful practices ( whatever they may be ).

But , by all means possible , let us seek a deliverance (from that which defiles us ) , which does not require such drastic measures .

Futhermore , what Jesus is saying by extension - is that all who fail to find the grace to repent , and do consequently wind up in hell / the lake of fire , will sorely wish they would have done something - anything at all ! Which would have convinced their rebellious nature to accept the gracious death of being crucified with Christ . For these current bodies can be resurrected as whole and new ... but there is no resurrection from the lake of fire , which is the second death , which is the death of the soul , which is the death of one's individuality , as one created to be in God's own image.


Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. <-----> Revelation 20:6

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. <-----> Revelation 20:14

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. <-----> Revelation 21:7+8

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. <-----> Matthew 10:27+28

And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. <-----> Luke 12:4+5


There are other Scriptural ties which link masturbation to sinfulness .

Was led to list them quite some time ago ... if possible , will add a link to them later ... or may redo ... Lord willing .

The Blood of Christ was never meant to be used as a justification for continuing in sin . It is meant to cover our past sins and work together with faith and love to mortify us from continuing in sin , so that we can serve God acceptably in the sanctification of holiness.


Furthermore , it is only by lifting up and beholding the True Standard which Christ has set forth , that we can accurately examine and recognize our spiritual condition . Those who lift not up His Standard , can easily think they are something , while they are yet nothing ; with regards to The Kingdom of God .

...Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. <-----> Romans 3:24+25

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. <-----> 1st John 3:5-10


Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. <-----> 1st Peter 1:13-16


[ * " conversation "- in this context = behavior { Strong's 391 } ]


Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. <-----> Isaiah 49:22

Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people. <-----> Isaiah 62:10

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. <-----> Revelation 18:4

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. <-----> Revelation 22:14+15


And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. <-----> Revelation 21:27


Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. <-----> Luke 13:23+24


Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. <-----> 1st Corinthians 6:9-13


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If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. <-----> Ephesians 4:21-24

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. <-----> 2nd Peter 1:2-4

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul. <-----> 1st Peter 2:11

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. <-----> 2nd Timothy 2:22

As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance. <-----> 1st Peter 1:14

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. <-----> Titus 2:11-13


This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. <-----> Galatians 5:16

When Christ's Wonderfully Fulfilling Nature is realized effectually within us , the former , youthful , fleshly , worldly , deceitful lusts are clearly understood and recognized as the undesirables which they truly are , in the Light of the contrast of our Heavenly Treasures beginning to manifest openly and divulging a far better and enduring reward - which The Lord is well pleased to bestow upon us , as many as do put our trust in Him and The Salvation which God does effectually work through the power of His Blood , and calling upon the Name of Jesus The Christ ( Whose Name / Title means - God's Everlasting Salvation through His Anointed One . )

For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. <-----> Habakkuk 2:14

May The Lord Be Pleased To See To It . In Jesus Name . Amen .

wm

HI~
I know you are serious, but thanks for the laugh in the red. (you could switch ) seriously.......

I FEEL touching yourself IS WRONG. for this act to be carried out to the satisfaction of the individual concerned, male or female, the imagery of the mind has to dwell on that which is filthy. touching yourself is one of the reason's inappropriate contentography is so successful. magazines filled with hard-core sex acts provide a picturesque setting for the completion of the touching yourself act. the scenario always becomes worse and worse because you have to go deeper to get the fulfillment of being turned on.
our body is the temple of God, the temple of the Holy Ghost~1 Corinthians 3v16,17; 6v19,20
anything that tends to pervert the human body is wrong, sinful and wicked. and the same goes for oral sex.........

since you are questioning it out loud and very bravely, you sound like conviction is upon you about this. that's good and spiritually growing. I hope you obey and forbid to set sexual wickedness before your eyes but turn away quickly......

advertisements constantly bombard the public with subliminal messages in just about all ads. what your eyes don't see, your conscience mind picks up. for instance, in alchohol ads the word sex is written so suddle on ice cubes, or in hair, it can be anywhere on the page. I pick up it all the time. you can't if you don't know about it though.
BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS SEX SALES!
God Bless you, DEB~

touching yourself is essentially selfish.

You are taking your God-given sex drive created to share with your marriage partner and just satisfying yourself with a quick fix.

It is a failed stewardship of the gift of God.

Of course we all are tempted with sexual lust....as well as the lust of the eyes(shopping lol). gluttony(super-sizing) all I am saying that it is sinful...and God would rather us choose not to do those things,because they are not Godly desires, but worldly. And you won't explode if you don't.
Though it is a battle everyday...we are able to choose not to.
when I think of Jesus the Son of Man and our deisre to be like him...that dosen't enter the picture.

1Cr 10:13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

hmmm...wonder if he was talking about masturbation here....as a way of escape...not likely, but I'ts possible for those who choose to do it...to use this scripture in their favor.

HI~
The Bible also says its a shame for a man to spill his sperm in the ground-why? because children are an heritage unto the Lord, very precious.God also gave it to be pleasurable for husband and wife. it may not be the act itself so much as it is the thoughts that enter in ones mind and then the dwelling on it brings on the self-hand love. when you walk in the spirit, you won't fulfill the lust in the flesh. in fact, the Holy Spirit takes away these desires of the flesh when you understand the complete work of the cross. I would rather have Holy Spirit conviction than to continue any ungodly behavior that is offensive to God. when he takes the desires out you simply cannot go back to them as I am a witness. and he is still doing a work in me.
justify it all you want but as for me, I will serve the Lord. God Bless you, DEB & Binky & ADHD

P.S very witty answers ZZUB. I like it.

HI~:o Listen, O ye that judgeth, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your home nor how often, but I end all my postings with a merry God Bless You and I like to humor myself and do something a little created. my age has nothing to do with me wanting to lift my spirits when I'm a little blue. laughter is a wonderful medicine for me! I would rather act a little foolish and childish at 46 than to play with myself at 62. o.k?

Do me a favor please, don't comment to me anymore and please, no advice. you offend me with your tone and anger in this post and I don't want to fellowship with such or I will leave the forum. say goodbye BLINKY.
um bye
God Bless, DEB~

People are coming across with anger here. This is not good witnessing.

Masturbation is not a God-given thing. It is a SIN.
Do the boy a favour and tell him the truth. He deserves that.
Did Adam touch? ........ we will never know. Eve was given to him because he was lonely.

Masturbation is a sexual sin. Whether married or not, we should not do it.

Age doesnt come into it either. It may be one of the hardest temptations known to man, I guess thats why its so hard for us to get into heaven.
Man is supposed to think about sex every 20 minutes. I personally cant take that in.
Next time someone masturbates, look up. Someone might be looking down on you.

Whoa...by The Way, I Don't Remember The Op Saying He Had A Problem With Lust...or Was Confused....or That He Even Does This...just That He Was Wondering...if This Certain Scripture Pertains To Masturbation.....

It' Like The Secret That Is Whispered In Someones Ear...and By The Time It Gets Around To The Last Person....the Story Is A Different Story Altogether....

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