Do believe the presence of christ in the Holy Eucharist

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niwde, no I do not believe in the Real Presence, and for you to make the assumption that somehow I will in the future just because "you say so" is, frankly, an insult. Don't presume to know my heart; don't make condescending remarks about my beliefs and belittle them.
 
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Truelight,

As far as salvation is concerned, I believe we HAVE been allowed to "pass through the veil" and shadows of the Law, through to the source, revealed, finally, in Jesus Christ Himself. As the priests once transcended the veil, now do we, having Christ's salvation, that was founded before the earth, finally revealed to us, we also have "passed through the veil". But I digress...

And yes, assuming that it IS truth, of course...
 
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obviously u will refuse to accept it now because lots of circumstances
but i call say that when the time comes u will accept it,
how sure r u that it may not change ur stance
when the times come like the teaching about light under the table or things we be uncovered till then we only start to debate
i can provide miraculous changes of the bread ,there are lots of them ,still there ,unpreserved,verified as human ventricle muscle,go see for ur self in italy,if u want ur eyes to see it
 
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As I said niwde, I am very skeptical of its legitimacy. I do not believe the occurence at Lanciano was a miracle. And if it's not a miracle, then think of the measures that would have had to been taken to "procure" the "supplies" needed for the occurence. Gruesome... gruesome indeed...

Furthermore, just because science cannot explain it to your satisfaction does not "make" it a miracle. And I am not frightened by human internal organs. I am frightened by the extreme measures that had to have been taken by the priests or whoever "obtained" the human heart.
 
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I am frightened by the extreme measures that had to have been taken by the priests or whoever "obtained" the human heart.

What a magician this priest must have been in front of the entire congregation he turned a piece of bread into a slice of heart myocardium while holding it above his head in plain view of everyone. :scratch: In fact he was so good the congregation witnessed his entire body shaking in disbelief.

I am redeemed by the blood of Christ i trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, i am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is Gods gift of grace that is working in me.
 
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For those who do not believe in the Eucharistic presence of Jesus- no proof is possible. For those who do believe in the Eucharistic presence of Jesus- no proof is necessary.

But for those who do not believe, consider this:
What if Christ is truly present in the Eucharist? (John 6 and many other Bible passages support this belief) It takes true faith to believe something so amazing as Jesus Christ, The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, being present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, as bread for our spiritual nourishment. There is no deeper union with God than receiving Holy Communion. The experience is beyond words. Amen!
 
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what is the difference between a man who has cancer suddenly got well and the bread and body changed into the body and the blood of christ
you will may say the first is a miracle,but the legitimacy of the second may not
why?
simple because people are like that,i am not saying u especially but people are like that,they just do not want to accept it because of pride
" My church do not believe in such things,if proven to be true i will be very shameful to acknowledge it,so i stand agaist it."in the minds of most people(interior monologue)
if u learn literature.
i think u understand,it sometimes happen to me too
i am to embarassed to admit it,i will be humiliated,betrayed,being used,being beliving in something which is not true
no offence buddy

but y don u give it a try,go to an holy hour and i can say it may touch u,u may feel HIM
 
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I know that it is a little late in the threads to start asking questions, but that is what I am here for: if anyone has some time and wouldn't mind, would you pleae list the scripture that you believe supports the eucharist. I would like to be able to read up and see what I think, then I might be able to make some comments worth reading. I just want to know where everyone else is coming from - a pm might work better, just whatever you would prefer. Thanks!
 
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Would you please list the scripture that you believe supports the eucharist.

Here are some.

John, chapter 6: The Bread of Life:

53- "Let me solemnly assure you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
54- Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55-For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink..." (John 6:53-55)

Chapter 6 of St. John has the sixth treasure of the Gospel, the Sermon of the Bread of Life, where Jesus promises us our daily bread, to live on earth this beautiful life in Christ as a wedding feast, to have eternal life, and to help others to do so.

- 1Corinthians 10:16: "The cup of blessing we bless, is it not a communion with the blood of Christ? And the bread that we brake, is it not a communion with the body of Christ? The bread is one, and so we, though many, form one body, sharing the one bread" 5- 1 Corinthians 11:23-30: 23- For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, 24- and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25- In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26- For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. 27- Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 28- A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. 29- For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30- That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.

 
 
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