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I believe the rapture will occur right after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31), and the battle of Gog and Magog will occur right after the millenium (Revelation 20:7-8)....Ezekiel 38 will occur right after the rapture...
Ezekiel 38 will occur right after the rapture, and the rapture will cripple the U.S.A.. With the Church gone, and America on her knees, who will lead this war against the terrorists?
Hmph! You beat me!I believe the rapture will occur right after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31)
"For God has not destined us for wrath, BUT for obtaining salvation through Jesus Christ..." Thesis/antithesis. Did Jesus die to save us from the Tribulation? Does "wrath" ever mean, "Hell"? (Rm2:5-8)1 thessalonians 5:9 we have not been appointed unto wrath
AWESOME attitude!!!I figure I'll be prepared to wait for post, but I'll also be more than ready if God wants me any sooner! That way no matter what happens I won't be dissapointed...
Originally posted by AlanSmith
rollin thunder,
I believe you are on to something. You're right christians shouldn't allow the satanic spirit of fear to operate in our lives. I believe the bible teaches we will be raptured just before the tribulation. 1 thessalonians 5:9 we have not been appointed unto wrath. God also delivered Lott from Sodom and Gamoroh before He destroyed the cities. And Noah in the ark before the flood. Is'nt that exciting?
Ahhh, but there IS no "wedding feast"! Not per se'...before He takes her to the wedding feast
Note that no scripture promises us a rapture before the tribulation. Jesus says he will come to gather us together "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), and Paul says Jesus' coming to gather us together must "destroy" the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). We Christians must go through the coming tribulation (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13)....I believe the bible teaches we will be raptured just before the tribulation...
Note that during the tribulation nobody in heaven says God's wrath "is come" until after the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15, 18), in the 7 vials (Revelation 15:1)....1 thessalonians 5:9 we have not been appointed unto wrath...
Will Jesus himself be the one beating up the Christians in the tribulation? Didn't Jesus let his bride go through the days of persecution and martyrdom under the Roman emperors? How will our tribulation under the Antichrist be any different? Can any suffering and death ever really harm the bride? "Some of you shall they cause to be put to death... But there shall not an hair of your head perish" (Luke 21:16, 18)....Some people think that Jesus is going to beat His bride before He takes her to the wedding feast...
Originally posted by postrib
Note that no scripture promises us a rapture before the tribulation. Jesus says he will come to gather us together "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), and Paul says Jesus' coming to gather us together must "destroy" the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). We Christians must go through the coming tribulation (Revelation 13:7-10, 14:12-13).
Note the "if" in the following verse: "IF therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Revelation 3:3). Paul confirms that if we watch for that day it will not overtake us as a thief: "Yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night... But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief... let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch" (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 4, 6)....How can Christ come like a thief if everyone sees Him coming?...
Note that the only thing the Bible says happens "in the twinkling of an eye" is the changing of the bodies of the living Christians into immortal bodies (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Jesus' coming at the rapture includes much more than that. It includes first the descent of Jesus from heaven with the saints who died (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), then the sounding of the "last trump" (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16), then the resurrection of these saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), then the changing of living believers into immortal bodies, and finally the gathering together of all the resurrected saints and all those changed into the clouds where Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17)....The rapture will not be seen, it will happen in the twinkling of an eye...
Note that at the 2nd coming some of us elect will still be "alive and remain" (1 Thessalonians 4:15) on the earth: "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect (eklektos) from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mark 13:27)....How can we already be in heaven, even before the angels gather us?...
Originally posted by postrib
It includes first the descent of Jesus from heaven with the saints who died (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), then the sounding of the "last trump" (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16), then the resurrection of these saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), then the changing of living believers into immortal bodies, and finally the gathering together of all the resurrected saints and all those changed into the clouds where Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
Note that it says the spirits of the dead in Christ will descend "with" Christ from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14) and their bodies will be resurrected (1 Thessalonians 4:16)....you have the dead in Christ descending with Jesus. This is clearly not right...
Originally posted by postrib
Note that it says the spirits of the dead in Christ will descend "with" Christ from heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:14) and their bodies will be resurrected (1 Thessalonians 4:16).
How do you understand: "them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him?" (1 Thessalonians 4:14)...Mine has no mention of the word descend or any word like it...
Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Hi Mandy,
I was wondering what ever happened to you. I haven't seen you in a while. I see you got another promotion!! Wow, Senior Administrator!! Congradulations Sister!!
But does that mean you won't be posting as much??
I hope not. We could use more of your kind down here.
Originally posted by postrib
How do you understand: "them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him?" (1 Thessalonians 4:14)