Can someone be saved and deny Jesus being God

Hello Ultimate,

Who does he think the Lord Jesus' deity is?

You have to beleive that Jesus came to save us from sins, and that he is God. God sent his son, those are my beliefs on the subject.

Love, Sayci

God Bless you!

I am truely saved and have been....I didn't understand Jesus as God until just about 3 minutes ago. I may still not be totally knowledgable but I know before my resent revalation that I was saved. Show your friend the Isaiah 9:11 and John 1 and show him the verse in Philipians I believe chapter 2 that says Jesus became a peasant....then just let the Holy Spirit do the rest. I just suddenly understood 3 minutes ago. But I loved Jesus and the Holy Spirit and God and understood Jesus was the Son of God I just didn't understand what people where trying to say...I understood the Bible just not people but now I do and it is awesome! Pray for him and what really matters is that he accepts Jesus as his Lord and Savior as the Son of God and that he repents and turns his life over to God and lives as Jesus taught and learns to listen to the Holy Spirit....It will all come to light God is Good...Don't worry over your friend just love and explain the best that you can...but explain all in love. Amen Praise God....I am truely thankful! Love and God Bless. To God be the Glory!

I would hope so, because a number of early Christians debated this issue fiercely; it seems to me that God will forgive their mistakes and misunderstandings, too.

Ultimate...I suppose it really depends on who your friend thinks Jesus is. The trinity is one of the biggest myserties of the Christian faith....and while it is something that we cannot necessarily comprehend, it is something that we can and should apprehend.

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I am truely saved and have been....I didn't understand Jesus as God until just about 3 minutes ago. I may still not be totally knowledgable but I know before my resent revalation that I was saved. 

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I'm very glad you get the Trinity now, but there is something else we need to work on brotha.

You do not know that you are saved, nor does anyone, not even a Saint like Mother Theresa, when she was alive.

Jesus alone can read hearts, and you must work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Actually, you are wrong there. I DO know that I'm saved and ANY Christian can know beyond the SHADOW OF A DOUBT that they are saved. Salvation is not something that is continually 'worked out' while we are alive. You know that you are saved if you have done what the BIBLE says needs to be done to be saved (see John 3:1-21, Romans 10 for starters). The word of God establishes this and I trust my Lord and what He says, Amen!!

The idea that there are things to 'work out' is really unbiblical and makes it sound like there are things that you can do to EARN your salvation, which is simply not true. Look at Ephesians 2:8-10...this assures the opposite. Even in the OT we are told that ALL of our works are like filthy rags before the eyes of God.

Salvation is a gift, freely given, wisely accepted. Anything else really puts Christ back up on that cross....or at the very least minimizes what He did there.

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The idea that there are things to 'work out' is really unbiblical

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Read James.

Have done extensive studies in James...the brother of Jesus was right on, wasn't he! Accept he is talking about how people act and should act IF they are saved and AFTER they are saved. Salvation is the beginning factor, not the end. Read Romans....and Acts, and Luke, John, 1-3 Peter, all of Paul's epistles, etc.

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Have done extensive studies in James...the brother of Jesus was right on, wasn't he! Accept he is talking about how people act and should act IF they are saved and AFTER they are saved. Salvation is the beginning factor, not the end. Read Romans....and Acts, and Luke, John, 1-3 Peter, all of Paul's epistles, etc.

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Do you think that you can ever lose your salvation?

I will say this....since the Bible tells us that there is nothing we can do to earn our salvation, it stands to simple reason that there is nothing we can do to lose it.

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I will say this....since the Bible tells us that there is nothing we can do to earn our salvation, it stands to simple reason that there is nothing we can do to lose it.

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Usually there isn't anything simple about the Word. Various interpretations and semantics have divided the Church into its current state.

Question: Is it possible for a former Christian to become an atheist?  Or would you say there never were truly Christian? And if not, how can anyone be sure that they are truly Christian?

Do you think that you can ever lose your salvation?

Hi, Souljah:

This is what the Scripture states about your question:

Eph: 1:13, 14 

In Him you also trusted . . . you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance . . .

Rom. 8:38, 39

For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth . . . shall be able to separate us from the love of God.

Christians have the promise of not losing their salvation according to Scripture.   This is what I believe.

Blessings to you!

 

 

 

Originally posted by MizDoulos
Do you think that you can ever lose your salvation?

Hi, Souljah:

This is what the Scripture states about your question:

Eph: 1:13, 14 

In Him you also trusted . . . you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance . . .

Rom. 8:38, 39

For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth . . . shall be able to separate us from the love of God.

Christians have the promise of not losing their salvation according to Scripture.   This is what I believe.

Blessings to you!

 

 

 

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Blessings back to you.   I respect your views, but I disagree. 

John says to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.  James says that without works, faith is dead.  Without evoking the other scriptures that support the Catholic view, let's talk about those.

Why would they say such a thing if you don't have to "do" anything to be saved, other than have faith?

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Blessings back to you.   I respect your views, but I disagree. 

John says to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.  James says that without works, faith is dead.  Without evoking the other scriptures that support the Catholic view, let's talk about those.

Why would they say such a thing if you don't have to "do" anything to be saved, other than have faith?

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Why do you disagree with the Word of God?  Is it not true to you?  Works are a result OF salvation.  NOT a requirement OF salvation.  If you have to do works to get to Heaven, how many is enough?  1, 10, 1000, 1,000,000?  How many?  If works are necessary for salvation,  I can only hope that you do enough, don't you?

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Why do you disagree with the Word of God?  Is it not true to you?  Works are a result OF salvation.  NOT a requirement OF salvation.  If you have to do works to get to Heaven, how many is enough?  1, 10, 1000, 1,000,000?  How many?  If works are necessary for salvation,  I can only hope that you do enough, don't you?

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Works are necessary, but not sufficient.  And I sure hope I am saved, but nobody knows for sure till that day.  I don't disagree with God...heh, should I post scriptures supporting the Catholic view and ask you the same question?

soujah....you are putting the cart before the horse! If I plant an apple tree, would it be ridiculous of me to wait around for organes to grow? I would say yes, wouldn't you? It is the same kind of thing with the works/salvation issue.

First, let me address one thing. You say that the Word is not simple. That is one of the most horrible fallacy that clergy has propogated upon the world for untold generations. The Word is a very easy thing to understand...especially when read with the guidance of the Spirit, which all Christians can get. The idea that the Word is not simple is a lie that various clergy have spread in order to ensure their own job security.

Ok, you keep going back to James. Well, let's examine something. The blood-brother of your Lord, James...who was he writing to in that letter? He was writing to people who were already 'saved' and instructing them on the proper way to live. He was not addressing unbelievers, but believers. There is a HUGE difference in how you take the message once you realize this. James is instructing on how a true Christian would behave...and saying that we can tell who are our brothers and sisters not just by what they say, but by what they do. In his 'audience' there were many pretenders and he was exhorting fellow believers to see them and deal with them.

I'm not sure about you...but I believe what the Word of God says to me OVER what men say. If the Word tells me that I am saved, then I am.

James, as well as the other scriptures, is simply telling us that if we are saved, then our lifes will bear fruit. The bearing of the fruit is not a CONDITION of salvation, but is a RESULT of salvation.

Probably the wrong forum for this, but........

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Works are necessary, but not sufficient.

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Not sufficient?  So, the work that Jesus did on the cross was not enough?  read Ephesians 2:8-9:

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

And I sure hope I am saved, but nobody knows for sure till that day.

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That isn't what the Bible says.  Read 1 John 5:13:

"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life."

To quote Forest Gump, "I am not a smart man", but for the life of me, I can not see why it is hard to understand the simplicity of the Gospel.  Why make it more difficult than it was ever meant to be?  

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Probably the wrong forum for this, but........



Not sufficient?  So, the work that Jesus did on the cross was not enough?  read Ephesians 2:8-9:

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

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Not at all what I was saying.  Works by men...not God.  Come on now...

If I misunderstood what you are saying, I appoligize.  But the way I read what you are saying is that you believe that you have to do good works as a requirement for salvation.  If that is what you are saying, then you are mistaken.  To believe that you must do works to get to Heaven is to say that Jesus' work on the cross was not sufficient.  It's like you are saying to Him, "I know you died on the cross for my sins, but I don't think that it was enough, so I am going to help by doing good works".  Nowhere in the entire Bible will you find that.  On the other hand, when the Bible talks about works, it is for the person that is already saved.  Works are a result of salvation, NOT a requirement for salvation.  When you are saved, you will want to do good works for the glory of God.