The immediate prompting for this thread is:
which followed:
I am aware of the following related things although since i gain my information solely by reading, these may not be quite right, i am looking for help to well form the ideas:
YEC, OEC, GAP and FI are allowed under the creation report.
The Westminster Presbytery refuses to ordain any men with anything but a strict YEC viewpoint. They threatened to leave the denomination, apparently did not. They have not been censored by GA for this stand, despite overtures to do so.
i am aware of Terry Gray's trial in the OPC on the issues.
i am aware, from reading G.North's _Crossed Fingers_ that the issue has effected both conservatives and liberals. One of North's major themes is that both Machen and Warfield crossed their fingers in subscribing to the YEC content of the WCF.
in asking my Pastors concerning the bulk of exceptions taken at Presbytery, they informed me that:
first was paragraphs on the Sabbath and allowable activities. the third was on the CED debate, i've misplace my notes and don't remember the second.
question 1:
are there any teaching elders on record with a theistic evolutionary stance, in the PCA or OPC?
have there been trials other than T.Gray's over the CED issues?
question 2:
for those who have gone to ordination exams.
is the CED positions a big issue? has any one expressing views like those of Warfield passed the exams? what are the big exceptions taken to the subscription to the WCF?
question 3:
why has it become such a polarizing issue? is it the dominant left-right division in the PCA? or is women's ordination the tipping point between liberal and conservative (my point)?
question 4:
where do the masses of teaching elders in the PCA and OPC seem to stand on the issues? in the light of the two above quotations there appears to be a strong YECist presence that would deny the validity of even OEC viewpoints? what are the relative %'s of elders in the PCA who are OEC vs YEC for instance? where to go for decent information on the topic?
pointer to places and books to read would be helpful. my notes on subscription are kept at:
http://www.dakotacom.net/~rmwillia/hap2.html
thanks for your help, this is the only place i know to ask such questions and expect good answers.
on PB, the only other reformed online forum i monitor, it is not even an acceptable topic to ask the questions.
from: http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=22671079&postcount=24Our local PCA pastor can't even preach a simple sermon on the creation account because, as the elders put it, there are many in the church leadership who hold to theistic evolution.
which followed:
from: http://www.banneroftruth.org/pages/articles/article_detail.php?179The old neo-orthodox methodology of Biblical interpretation appeals to us. One result, leaders offer a 'take your choice from the bag of views' of Biblical creation because we in our culture have already been infected to academic compromise by public education's prophets of evolution. We were unwilling to accept simply what God says in His Word though many scientists did and have found their scientific affirmations in its light. light.
I am aware of the following related things although since i gain my information solely by reading, these may not be quite right, i am looking for help to well form the ideas:
YEC, OEC, GAP and FI are allowed under the creation report.
The Westminster Presbytery refuses to ordain any men with anything but a strict YEC viewpoint. They threatened to leave the denomination, apparently did not. They have not been censored by GA for this stand, despite overtures to do so.
i am aware of Terry Gray's trial in the OPC on the issues.
i am aware, from reading G.North's _Crossed Fingers_ that the issue has effected both conservatives and liberals. One of North's major themes is that both Machen and Warfield crossed their fingers in subscribing to the YEC content of the WCF.
in asking my Pastors concerning the bulk of exceptions taken at Presbytery, they informed me that:
first was paragraphs on the Sabbath and allowable activities. the third was on the CED debate, i've misplace my notes and don't remember the second.
question 1:
are there any teaching elders on record with a theistic evolutionary stance, in the PCA or OPC?
have there been trials other than T.Gray's over the CED issues?
question 2:
for those who have gone to ordination exams.
is the CED positions a big issue? has any one expressing views like those of Warfield passed the exams? what are the big exceptions taken to the subscription to the WCF?
question 3:
why has it become such a polarizing issue? is it the dominant left-right division in the PCA? or is women's ordination the tipping point between liberal and conservative (my point)?
question 4:
where do the masses of teaching elders in the PCA and OPC seem to stand on the issues? in the light of the two above quotations there appears to be a strong YECist presence that would deny the validity of even OEC viewpoints? what are the relative %'s of elders in the PCA who are OEC vs YEC for instance? where to go for decent information on the topic?
pointer to places and books to read would be helpful. my notes on subscription are kept at:
http://www.dakotacom.net/~rmwillia/hap2.html
thanks for your help, this is the only place i know to ask such questions and expect good answers.
on PB, the only other reformed online forum i monitor, it is not even an acceptable topic to ask the questions.