Is Stephen Hawking Really This Stupid?

Originally posted by npetreley


I don't think s0uljah is that far off. IMO most of you have blind idol worship of your intellects and education, which is what elevates Hawking to an idol in your view.

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Before looking at the "most of you" on the board, I would question whether it was the board's "know-it-all-about-everything" who had narcissistic urges centering on his own intellect, but maybe you are right and it is everyone else.

Originally posted by Jerry Smith

Before looking at the "most of you" on the board, I would question whether it was the board's "know-it-all-about-everything" who had narcissistic urges centering on his own intellect, but maybe you are right and it is everyone else.

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ROFL!!! (Adopting the evolutionist stance): What are your qualifications for saying that? What books have you read on narcissism? Did you read the whole book or did you just do some quote mining? Do you have a degree in psychology? From what university? What's you IQ? Can you prove that? Can you list all of the locations in the brain and the neurotransmitters that are active during narcissistic episodes? Most Catholics believe that this is not narcissism, so what makes you qualified to say otherwise? And so on...

Originally posted by npetreley


ROFL!!! (Adopting the evolutionist stance): What are your qualifications for saying that? What books have you read on narcissism? Did you read the whole book or did you just do some quote mining? Do you have a degree in psychology? From what university? What's you IQ? Can you prove that? Can you list all of the locations in the brain and the neurotransmitters that are active during narcissistic episodes? Most Catholics believe that this is not narcissism, so what makes you qualified to say otherwise? And so on...

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Adopting another approach:

<deaf ears>

Again, I say, with no more reason than before:

You are narcissistic!

No, of COURSE I don't have to back that unfounded assumption up, because I can just repeat it 100 gazillion times until maybe some fool will believe it just to get me to shut up!

I don't think s0uljah is that far off. IMO most of you have blind idol worship of your intellects and education, which is what elevates Hawking to an idol in your view.

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So when it comes to complex subjects, the most stupid and ignorant person is most likely to be right?

Yeah, making the claim that experts are far more likely to know what they're talking about (in their field) then an average Joe off the street is such a stretch. It's amazing anyone would think it.

Originally posted by s0uljah
LMAO, when did I ever insult the man? I was simply getting your attention. Hes a genius, and he says some great things about God.

I asked if you all follow this idea? Considering the emotional response, I know that you do worship him, blindly, as you all pointed out.

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So every person that seeks to protect Hawking from being scandalized about a scientific hypothesis of his by a person that knows virtually nothing about cosmological astrophysics and cannot refute him is worshipping him? That's interesting...

Generally, it's not good practice to attack something you do not understand. I thought you would be well acquainted with that concept, being a recent Roman Catholic convert.

Originally posted by npetreley


Actually, the question is whether you should believe Hawking or the Bible. The two explanations are different in nature. The Bible records it as an historic event. Hawking theorizes it based on his imagination.

Regardless, the Biblical record has two advantages over Hawking's theory. First, the account of creation was dictated to the author by the Creator Himself, so it comes from Someone Who knew a little about how it happened. Second, being thousands of years old, it was written closer to the actual historical event, and therefore even by secular standards it is more reliable information than anything anyone can write today.

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Actually, a couple of thousand years is infinitesimal compared to the age of the universe being at least 11 gigayears, or 11,000,000,000 years old.
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/age.html

Originally posted by s0uljah
I lied about nothing.

Is Stephen Hawking Really This Stupid?

-Emotional title to get your attention. Recall I also said he was a genius.

Do you all actually buy this? <-- First question.

If so, why? <-- Second question.

You have no explanation other than "you wouldnt understand, so we cant talk about it"

And this is a "discussion forum"?

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Evidently, you don't know enough science and mathematics to understand theoretical astrophysics either.

Originally posted by s0uljah
Nope, I asked do you all believe this, as it seems it was pulled out of his butt, and if so, why? If you don't know why, it is BLIND FAITH hiding behind "complexity."

I never lied.

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Did Hawking ever claim that his hypothesis was fact? You "know" for sure that God exists, and yet you have no empirical facts to prove your statement.

Originally posted by s0uljah


Really? What are those reasons? Do you understand them? No? Blind faith, have you? Point proven.

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I don't think that anyone that has opposed your unfounded statements has accepted Hawking's "hypersphere" hypothesis as fact. If the pursuit of freedom and justice in regard to protecting well educated scholars from the wiles of ignorant, unfounded and fanatical opposition tactics is "blind faith", then I would count myself in that number.

Originally posted by s0uljah
And I will say this one more time. IT ISNT PROVEN. It is a hypothetical! LMAO You all got so upset when your God was attacked, and you think we are irrational?

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I don't believe that anyone that has opposed your poor debate tactics "worships" science or Stephen Hawking.

Furthermore, please do not use profanity in your posts, as in the repeated "LMAO" statement. I and most of the other posters here know what that anagram stands for, and as a Christian, it is offensive to me. Thank you

Originally posted by s0uljah


I have nothing to defend. This is your God's theory. Again, I was simply asking if you believe it, and why?

If you take that as insulting, then that is fine. It wasn't my intention.

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Again, I don't believe that anyone opposing your tactics holds science or Stephen Hawking as her personal god. It is insulting to imply such a thing without knowing these people on a personal basis; it is insulting to them and does nothing but make you look bad and give a bad name to our religion, Christianity.

Originally posted by npetreley


IMO it is based entirely on imagination. After he "imagined" it, he did a lot of math. So what? It's still imagination.

That's not necessarily bad. Einstein formulated a lot of his theories based on his imagination. That was part of his genius. But we've been able to observe that many of his theories are true, or nearly so.

When we've been able to observe the hypersphere, I'll move it from the pure fantasy column over to the observed phenomenon column. Until then, it belongs in fairyland.

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Atheists say the same thing about God.

Originally posted by npetreley


I don't think s0uljah is that far off. IMO most of you have blind idol worship of your intellects and education, which is what elevates Hawking to an idol in your view.

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Do you have conclusive evidence that "most of you" worship, pray to, and present offerings to the supposed gods, Stephen Hawking and science? If not, then your accusation is based on your imaginative faculties alone.

Originally posted by humblejoe

Do you have conclusive evidence that "most of you" worship, pray to, and present offerings to the supposed gods, Stephen Hawking and science? If not, then your accusation is based on your imaginative faculties alone.

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I don't need direct evidence. There are thousands of transitional sentences in your posts which are enough evidence to infer these conclusions. Taken together, the inferences are as good as fact.

What's good for the goose...

Could you point out some of the sentences from which your draw your inferences?

Originally posted by humblejoe

Again, I don't believe that anyone opposing your tactics holds science or Stephen Hawking as her personal god. It is insulting to imply such a thing without knowing these people on a personal basis; it is insulting to them and does nothing but make you look bad and give a bad name to our religion, Christianity.

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Indeed, it's exceptionally offensive to those of us who are Christians, and are quite clear on the many and varied distinctions between Hawking and God.

Hawking is, nonetheless, an excellent mathematician, and a brilliant cosmologist, and I would be inclined to guess that his predictions are pretty good.

Originally posted by npetreley
Second, being thousands of years old, it was written closer to the actual historical event, and therefore even by secular standards it is more reliable information than anything anyone can write today.

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I'd hardly consider being 0.000021% closer to the actual creation of the Universe accounts for much.

3,000 out of 14,000,000,000 isn't very much.

Remember, if the entirety of the life of the Universe were one day, all of human civilization would have occured in the last one-tenth of one second.

Kirk

Stephen Hawking is a heckuva lot smarter than any of us here. He has been so ill for so long but is still kicking. A little divine plan maybe?