Saint or Sinner?

Then Franklin, you are saying we all have the potential to live a sinless life. Is there any person who has done this? If sin isnt an inherent part of us, then we are taught to sin, it doesnt come naturally to us.

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you are saying we all have the potential to live a sinless life. Is there any person who has done this?

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Yes, His name is Jesus! 

  
If sin isnt an inherent part of us, then we are taught to sin, it doesnt come naturally to us. [/B]

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This warped theory that we are born with an inherited sinful nature is the ultimate in absurdity and it implies that to please and glorify God we must be forced to displease and dishonor him. In a word, it implies that it would be sinful to be free to obey God. And why? Because if we were free to obey God, someone might do it and would not need to be saved. What logic! But this is an example of the type of reasoning that must be resorted to in order to defend the dogma of original sin. No human being has ever had to take classes on how to commit sin!       I guess you didn't read my last post about temptation?  read it again sister!  James tells us how all men are tempted. "But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived it bringeth forth sin, and sin when it is finished bringeth forth death" (James 1:14-15).

Franklin ---Jesus was more than a person or human. He is God who took on flesh-becoming fully human and fully divine. I meant what other humans live sinless lives. What happens to those who are tempted and choose not to sin? If we do not have a sinful nature then we can avoid temptation and live sinless.

What is implied in having a sinful nature is that our bent is toward our self and what benefits ourselves. We have the natural tendancy to live according to our benefit and not as selfless creatures. We want to do what is to our gain and for our gain. We have a rebellious nature.

As a one of the saints I would prefer not to contend with the flesh forever lest I die.

An added quistion though, if possible as your quistion has intended, to beable to live sinless in a sinful world. By chooseing to be the saint, and not a sinner, would this remove the pain of childbirth?, the point of this would be that how many women would have abortions is there was no pain ( sorrow) at child birth.

The original sin was that of Lucifer. Sin entering into man first rendered him and her to a spiritual nakedness that allowed for his shame to be seen by those after his own kind. God did not call adam and eve naked, God asked" for whom has told you that you were". " Then God fashioned a proper covering for them"

If you know what naked is, there is a good possibilty that you are a sinner lol.For all have sinned, but one .

 

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Anything that is not of faith is sin, amoung many other things that are sin. So I don't believe we can live a sinless life. But I am a saint not a sinner. Before I came to Christ I was a sinner, that was my idenity. Once bornagain I have a new idenity in Christ and that is being a saint.


Praise God

Saints ARE sinners, man. They're just sinners who happen to have been saved by faith in the redeeming sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'd rather be a Saint than a sinner.

suzie said:

What happens to those who are tempted and choose not to sin? If we do not have a sinful nature then we can avoid temptation and live sinless.

What is implied in having a sinful nature is that our bent is toward our self and what benefits ourselves. We have the natural tendancy to live according to our benefit and not as selfless creatures. We want to do what is to our gain and for our gain. We have a rebellious nature.

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I believe that Christians don't have a sin nature anymore. The New Testament tells us several times that a person's sin nature is crucified when he/she comes to Christ, and replaced with a new nature. And in Romans, we are told that we are no longer "slaves to sin".

So, as Christians, we are no longer doomed to sin, nor does our nature have a "bent" toward sin anymore. However, that doesn't mean we are not tempted anymore. Satan still tempts our flesh. The difference now is that we are able to achieve consistent victory over temptation, whereas in our nonChristian state, consistent victory over temptation was not possible.