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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
That is making a false association.

The practice called, "slain in the spirit" is totally different from God delivering you from the bondage of a sin.

There is no connection between the two.

God doesn't have to condition you to make a certain response as is done in "slain in the spirit".
Hi Bro..But what I hear you saying that that pastor's lightly touching my head with annointing oil and my body just turning to jello and being on my back in a heartbeat with no one else near me was some kind of false, psyco- abhorition and nothing spiritual to it is what I am trying to find out...What ever you want to call it I was on my back and my life was changed..I just can't believe is was something psycological and not the work of the Holy Spirit..pax..kim
 
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HisKid1973 said:
Hi Bro..But what I hear you saying that that pastor's lightly touching my head with annointing oil and my body just turning to jello and being on my back in a heartbeat with no one else near me was some kind of false, psyco- abhorition and nothing spiritual to it is what I am trying to find out...What ever you want to call it I was on my back and my life was changed..I just can't believe is was something psycological and not the work of the Holy Spirit..pax..kim

I am glad and praise God that you were delivered from the bondage of inappropriate contentography and are "changed", whatever that means.

However, I do not know what had transpired before that incident, such as how long you had been going to that church, how many times you had witnessed "slain in the spirit", how much you had that experience preached to you or talked about through anectdotal stories, or how much you had been "primed" for the event by the pastor or others telling you what to "expect" and what would "happen", etc. There is no magic in the "annointing oil", and what happens is most are "prepared" for the event.

Please do not take this personally, but people can be easily worked up into an altered state of consciousness and do succomb to suggestion and peer pressure.

What I do know is this, what you and others have described and what I have witnessed personally on many occassions, is not a Biblical manifestation.

Sure, as is seen on this thread, there are some passages that are offered up as evidence of the experience being Biblical, but also it is clearly demonstrated that those passages are taken out of context as a pretext for a preconceived concept, which as a practice always leads to really bad doctrine and practice. The snake handlers and those who drink poison use the same kind of eisegetical approach and people die from it.
 
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PujolsisbetterthanBonds said:
I agree with everything that you have stated here so far. But in the last line of this post you state that you can only speak about your own experience. My question is this -- shouldn't that experience line up with Scripture? Will God give you spiritual experiences that are outside the banks of Scripture? If He does how can anyone ever make a proper judgment on anything? And obviously carried to its furthest extreme (i.e.; the video link that was posted where people are rolling around barking like dogs and howling) people will spin off into all kinds of error. And why? Because they themselves experienced it. I'm sure that if you were to interview any of those folks on the video they would tell you that their experience was as real as your experience. So how could you tell them that it wasn't? If you go by your reasoning, you can't.

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Eggsackly. Experiences can be very powerfully moving. However, experiences, as is commanded in Scripture, must be tested in the light of objective truth of Scripture.

During the Great Awakening, Jonathan Edwards came across very similar manifestations and had to question whether they were genuine workings of the Spirit or were induced by hyperemotional, altered states of consciousness. After a lot of study, and long prayer and careful consideration of the facts and whether they were in allignment with Scripture, he concluded they were not.

Suggestion is a powerful thing.
 
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HisKid1973 said:
Hi Bro..But what I hear you saying that that pastor's lightly touching my head with annointing oil and my body just turning to jello and being on my back in a heartbeat with no one else near me was some kind of false, psyco- abhorition and nothing spiritual to it is what I am trying to find out...What ever you want to call it I was on my back and my life was changed..I just can't believe is was something psycological and not the work of the Holy Spirit..pax..kim

I don't mean to answer for AWC but from reading his posts what I hear him saying and what I've been saying is that the experience of being slain in the spirit has nothing to do with God delivering you from your addiction. Further, the slain in the spirit stuff has no Biblical basis on which to stand. You falling to the floor, therefore, had to be based on emotionalism, not Scripture. Did God deliver you? Yes, from your testimony it would appear so. Did cause you to fall to the floor? No.

Question? Why do you think it would even be necessary for the Holy Spirit to so overcome someone that they just fall to the ground in a worshipful, trance-like state? Nowhere in the NT do you find an out of control state of being where you are thrown about by the Spirit of God. On the contrary you see this in demonic activity where the demons were controlling people and casting them to the ground and in the fire and causing them to harm themselves, etc;

I'm saying that you must be very careful of what you allow yourself to believe simply because you experienced it. You will be without any ability to judge the worst of errors simply because someone has told you it's true because they experienced it. Satan comes with all kinds of lying wonders and has the ability to counterfit, distract, distort, confuse and pull people as far away from the truth as possible. He does this often with our emotions. In fact our heart is so deceitful that it really can't be trusted according to Jeremiah. Therefore you must use the Word of God and stand in that knowledge as truth over any experience.

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PujolsisbetterthanBonds said:
I don't mean to answer for AWC but from reading his posts what I hear him saying and what I've been saying is that the experience of being slain in the spirit has nothing to do with God delivering you from your addiction.


I don't mind that you "answered" for me. I think on this issue we are speaking with one voice, and on the Pujols v. Bonds issue as well.;)

Question? Why do you think it would even be necessary for the Holy Spirit to so overcome someone that they just fall to the ground in a worshipful, trance-like state? Nowhere in the NT do you find an out of control state of being where you are thrown about by the Spirit of God. On the contrary you see this in demonic activity where the demons were controlling people and casting them to the ground and in the fire and causing them to harm themselves, etc;

Exactly, Scripture tells us to be "sober minded", which means alert and in control of our mental faculties. We are commanded to be always on the alert for the traps of temptation, false doctrine, false practices, lies of the devil, temptations of the flesh, etc.

Nowhere in Scripture are we to be in some sort of trance like state. That is what pagans did and still do.
 
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PujolsisbetterthanBonds said:
I don't mean to answer for AWC but from reading his posts what I hear him saying and what I've been saying is that the experience of being slain in the spirit has nothing to do with God delivering you from your addiction. Further, the slain in the spirit stuff has no Biblical basis on which to stand. You falling to the floor, therefore, had to be based on emotionalism, not Scripture. Did God deliver you? Yes, from your testimony it would appear so. Did cause you to fall to the floor? No.

Question? Why do you think it would even be necessary for the Holy Spirit to so overcome someone that they just fall to the ground in a worshipful, trance-like state? Nowhere in the NT do you find an out of control state of being where you are thrown about by the Spirit of God. On the contrary you see this in demonic activity where the demons were controlling people and casting them to the ground and in the fire and causing them to harm themselves, etc;

I'm saying that you must be very careful of what you allow yourself to believe simply because you experienced it. You will be without any ability to judge the worst of errors simply because someone has told you it's true because they experienced it. Satan comes with all kinds of lying wonders and has the ability to counterfit, distract, distort, confuse and pull people as far away from the truth as possible. He does this often with our emotions. In fact our heart is so deceitful that it really can't be trusted according to Jeremiah. Therefore you must use the Word of God and stand in that knowledge as truth over any experience.

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So Now your saying it was my emotions that turned my body to jello. I never ever felt I hit the floor and was not hurt in any way..In my thirty plus years of walking with Jesus, I felt at peace during the whole thing..We'll so be it wether you belive it or not it was life changing for me..shalom..kim
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
Eggsackly. Experiences can be very powerfully moving. However, experiences, as is commanded in Scripture, must be tested in the light of objective truth of Scripture.

During the Great Awakening, Jonathan Edwards came across very similar manifestations and had to question whether they were genuine workings of the Spirit or were induced by hyperemotional, altered states of consciousness. After a lot of study, and long prayer and careful consideration of the facts and whether they were in allignment with Scripture, he concluded they were not.

Suggestion is a powerful thing.

Okay listen up folks....


Scripture is wonderful and lovely, but it does not explain everything. If it gave us everything, no one would read it because it would be too long. Check what John said in his last verse in the book of Saint John. Just because something is not written in scripture does not mean that it can't happen or isn't right. Something is wrong if it contradicts scripture (or the idea that it expresses ), not if it isn't fully expressed in scripture. (GOSH!:sigh: )Note some things that are not talked about in scripture: (space travel, internet chatting) Is there something wrong with these things? NO!
Get over it, some people get carried away in the spirit. Just be happy that no one is dancing their clothes off:

14And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod............

20Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!
21And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
22And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.


Some of you sound like Michal...



THE SPIRIT (GOD) is the final authority on what is right and wrong. The spirit can overwhelm people sometimes. Some people fake it and do retarded things like bark or growl...and some are for real. If you can't distinguish who is real and who is fake, then you should just keep you mouth shut before your hurt yourself like Michal.
 
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HisKid1973 said:
Just curious Bro..
greeker57married said:
No-one "feels" God's Spirit. and but we do feel or sense ??Remember the kindom of God is not meat or drink but righteous, peace and joy. Now for me being peaceful and joyful do use my emotions in a way wouldn't you say.Have you ever been in a service where you could feel/sense God's presence?..pax..kim

If you will notice, I was shariing a quote from another previous post. I did not say "no one feels" God's Spirit. I believe that every believer can experience the presence of God's Spirit. I agree with you.

God Bless
John
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
Maybe you might want to re-read what I said.

I was talking about "feelings", "emotions", not "feel" in the context of sensing.

I know what you were talking about. I do not agree with SawDust's statement that "no one feels the Spirit." I don' see where sawdust made any qualifications of refering to sensing the Holy Spirit. It seens to be a blanket statement to me. Let sawdust speak for himself.

God Bless
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greeker57married said:
HisKid1973 said:
Just curious Bro..

If you will notice, I was shariing a quote from another previous post. I did not say "no one feels" God's Spirit. I believe that every believer can experience the presence of God's Spirit. I agree with you.

God Bless
John

Opps..My bad..Sorry Bro...I do honestly need to get my eyes checked. Seems my eyes are getting better. ie less bifocal power needed..peace..kim
 
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jacquidube said:
Im not sure what to feel about being slain in the spirit. I went to another church last night and people were just falling down, apparently under the spirit of God. It felt to me like people were using their own emotions to let this happen to them. One person started then others followed. Some looked in pain............ mmmmmmmm. I dont know.
What are other peoples opinions on this please.
No such thing........

Slay, Slain, Slew

1, apokteino
the usual word for “to kill,” is so translated in the RV wherever possible (e.g., for AV, “to slay,” in Luke 11:49; Acts 7:52; Rev. 2:13; 9:15; 11:13; 19:21); in the following the verb “to kill” would not be appropriate, Rom. 7:11, “slew,” metaphorically of sin, as using the commandment; Eph. 2:16, “having slain,” said metaphorically of the enmity between Jew and Gentile. See KILL, No. 1.
Note: Some mss. have it in John 5:16 (AV, “to slay”).
2, anaireo
“to take away, destroy, kill,” is rendered “to slay” in Matt. 2:16; Acts 2:23; 5:33,36; 9:29, AV (RV, “to kill”); 10:39; 13:28; 22:20; 23:15, RV; in 2 Thess. 2:8 the best texts have this verb (for analisko, “to consume,” AV and RV marg.); hence the RV, “shall slay,” of the destruction of the man of sin See KILL, No. 2.
3, sphazo | sphatto>
“to slay,” especially of victims for sacrifice (akin to sphage: see SLAUGHTER), is used (a) of taking human life, 1 John 3:12 (twice); Rev. 6:4, RV, “slay” (AV, “kill”); in Rev. 13:3, probably of assination, RV, “smitten (unto death),” AV, “wounded (to death),” RV marg., “slain;” Rev. 18:24; (b) of Christ, as the Lamb of sacrifice, Rev. 5:6,9,12; 6:9; 13:8. See KILL, No. 7.
4, katasphazo
“to kill off” (kata, used intensively, and No. 3), is used in Luke 19:27. In the Sept., Ezek. 16:40; Zech. 11:5.
5, diacheirizo
“to lay hands on, kill,” is translated “slew” in Acts 5:30. See KILL, No. 6.
6, phoneuo
“to kill, to murder,” is rendered “ye slew” in Matt. 23:35. See KILL, No. 4. Note: For thuo, Acts 11:7, AV, “slay” (RV, “kill”), see KILL, No. 3.


I'd get out of this church......WAAAAAAY to scary! Throwing themselves down?? Real scary! Emotions and/or satanic.............
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
So, the Holy Spirit has revealed to you that "slain in the spirit" is from God?
No, the Holy Spirit revealed to me that what I experienced was from him. It wasn't from anything Satan could do, and it wasn't from a Satan worshipper, nor was it from a hypnotists either.
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
Pray tell, just how exactly do you know that God has not manifested Himself in my life with power?

Explain how you know that.:wave:
Show me some fruits of this power AWC. Testify about what God has done for you that only He could have done, other than salvation or anything else that is spiritual. The context I wrote that in is about a physical healing. Has God miraculously physically healed you of anything? You don't sound as someone who has experienced the healing power of God and until that happens you sure sound as though you will continue in disbelief. Which is exactly the point I was makeing to HisKid, until you recieve a physical healing not only will you not know what it is like but you probably will continue in your disbelief.

That is my opinion of you, however you are free to change my mind if you so desire.
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
Why yes, God healed me of the greatest disease of all, sin.
God doesn't heal people from the disease of sin AWC. If He healed you from sin and yet you have committed sin afterwards then the healing wasn't a real healing, nor was it from God.

God performed the greatest miracle of all, He raised a dead spirit that was totally worthy of hell and not worthy of His Grace in the slightest to fullness of Life in Christ Jesus.
Your right and that is a spiritual miracle, it is not a physical miracle.
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
Not only hypnotists do it, but I have witnessed pagan rituals where people are worked up into an altered state of consciousness and do the same thing.
It should be a well known fact by now that only a certain percentage of the population is susceptible to being under hypnosis. I know for a fact that I am one of them that isn't because I tried hypnosis to kick the habit of smokeing years ago and it never worked, not even in the slightest. And since I don't belong to a pagan religion I believe I can count out the pagan ritual as being the answer to my miracle.
 
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Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:
The practice called, "slain in the spirit" is totally different from God delivering you from the bondage of a sin.
In your other post you referred to it as a healing, now you want to call it "delivering"? Which is it AWC, healing or deliverance?
 
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linssue55 said:
No such thing........

Slay, Slain, Slew

1, apokteino
the usual word for “to kill,” is so translated in the RV wherever possible (e.g., for AV, “to slay,” in Luke 11:49; Acts 7:52; Rev. 2:13; 9:15; 11:13; 19:21); in the following the verb “to kill” would not be appropriate, Rom. 7:11, “slew,” metaphorically of sin, as using the commandment; Eph. 2:16, “having slain,” said metaphorically of the enmity between Jew and Gentile. See KILL, No. 1.
Note: Some mss. have it in John 5:16 (AV, “to slay”).
2, anaireo
“to take away, destroy, kill,” is rendered “to slay” in Matt. 2:16; Acts 2:23; 5:33,36; 9:29, AV (RV, “to kill”); 10:39; 13:28; 22:20; 23:15, RV; in 2 Thess. 2:8 the best texts have this verb (for analisko, “to consume,” AV and RV marg.); hence the RV, “shall slay,” of the destruction of the man of sin See KILL, No. 2.
3, sphazo | sphatto>
“to slay,” especially of victims for sacrifice (akin to sphage: see SLAUGHTER), is used (a) of taking human life, 1 John 3:12 (twice); Rev. 6:4, RV, “slay” (AV, “kill”); in Rev. 13:3, probably of assination, RV, “smitten (unto death),” AV, “wounded (to death),” RV marg., “slain;” Rev. 18:24; (b) of Christ, as the Lamb of sacrifice, Rev. 5:6,9,12; 6:9; 13:8. See KILL, No. 7.
4, katasphazo
“to kill off” (kata, used intensively, and No. 3), is used in Luke 19:27. In the Sept., Ezek. 16:40; Zech. 11:5.
5, diacheirizo
“to lay hands on, kill,” is translated “slew” in Acts 5:30. See KILL, No. 6.
6, phoneuo
“to kill, to murder,” is rendered “ye slew” in Matt. 23:35. See KILL, No. 4. Note: For thuo, Acts 11:7, AV, “slay” (RV, “kill”), see KILL, No. 3.


I'd get out of this church......WAAAAAAY to scary! Throwing themselves down?? Real scary! Emotions and/or satanic.............

I'll agree whole heartedly that "slain in the spirit" is not an appropreate term to discribe the phenomenon, at least not what I experienced.
 
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PujolsisbetterthanBonds said:
I agree with everything that you have stated here so far. But in the last line of this post you state that you can only speak about your own experience. My question is this -- shouldn't that experience line up with Scripture? Will God give you spiritual experiences that are outside the banks of Scripture?
Well, then I guess I'm guilty of believeing in something reguardless of whether it's in evidence in scripture or not. I fail to see the harm that is done by me believeing that the loss of power for me to remain standing up was the direct result of the healing power of the Holy Spirit. The belief in this hasn't caused any negitive effects with my walk with God. Maybe because I don't see the main thing that happen to me to be about being slain in the spirit but healed from arthritis, in which I continue to every day thank and praise His name for. I don't thank God for me being slain in the spirit, I thank Him for my healing.

If He does how can anyone ever make a proper judgment on anything? And obviously carried to its furthest extreme (i.e.; the video link that was posted where people are rolling around barking like dogs and howling) people will spin off into all kinds of error. And why? Because they themselves experienced it. I'm sure that if you were to interview any of those folks on the video they would tell you that their experience was as real as your experience. So how could you tell them that it wasn't? If you go by your reasoning, you can't.

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I suppose I couldn't but I'm not sure whether they are in error or not. Being slain in the spirit I don't see as a gift of the Holy Spirit but a reaction to the healing power of the Holy Spirit, there is a big difference. So if this is how some people will react to the power of the Holy Spirit I chose to not partake in their worship service but that gives me no right to tell them that they are in error. And trust me, if the church I am attending now was like that video I would not be attending that church because I know I would be too uncomfortable around that kind of stuff. Actually the error I would see them as committing would be turning people away from the power of God because of their extreme reaction to it. Much like how Paul in 1 Cor. discribes the speaking of tongues in church and how if there is to be speaking in tongues then it should be followed up with an interpretation. If there is no interpretation then the one who is speaking in tongues is only benefiting himself.
 
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nephilimiyr said:
In your other post you referred to it as a healing, now you want to call it "delivering"? Which is it AWC, healing or deliverance?

I referred to what as a "healing" and to what as "deliverance"?

Please make sure you get the context right.
 
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Show me some fruits of this power AWC.
Define what you mean by, "power".

Testify about what God has done for you that only He could have done, other than salvation or anything else that is spiritual. The context I wrote that in is about a physical healing. Has God miraculously physically healed you of anything?

Is a miraculous healing the consumation of "power"?

You don't sound as someone who has experienced the healing power of God and until that happens you sure sound as though you will continue in disbelief.

I think you are horribly presumptuous.

It's a weak faith that needs signs and wonders to continue in belief.

John 4:47-49

47 When he heard that Jesus had come out of Judea into Galilee, he went to Him and implored Him to come down and heal his son, for he was at the point of death. 48 Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.”


There were huge crowds that followed Jesus around because He performed miracles, following Him around because of what they could get off His table and not following Him because they loved Him and Trusted Him for their salvation. When things got rough, they dropped away because they wanted what the miracles could do for them and not because of Christ Himself.

All the time they did not realize that the miracles and signs Jesus did was to fulfill the OT prophecies tied to the coming of Messiah.

Yes, what you have described as neccessary for you to continue in faith is a description of weak, insecure faith.

Here is what Jesus had to say about that kind of "faith".

Matthew 12:38-40 (New King James Version)


38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Those who require "signs" to believe, who need miracles to believe, have a weak, insecure faith that is built on shifting sand, and set themselves up to fall for false signs and wonders.

John 20:28-30 (New King James Version)



28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas,[a] because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”






Which is exactly the point I was makeing to HisKid, until you recieve a physical healing not only will you not know what it is like but you probably will continue in your disbelief.

Then that is a weak faith that places it's security in miracles, signs and wonders, and not in the One who is the Lover of their Soul and gave His Life for them.

That is my opinion of you, however you are free to change my mind if you so desire.

Your "opinion" matters not.

God's means everything.
 
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