Is this TRUE?????

goodnewsinc · Jun 22, 2002

Or is God being "deceitful"?......

Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees , of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory ; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne , and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest .

What do you think? Is God lying to us? Should we reject these words as false and impossible?

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Patmosman_sga · Jun 22, 2002

2 Cor. 3:12-18 (ESV)
Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, [13] not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. [14] But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. [15] Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. [16] But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. [18] And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.[/b[] For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

GTX · Jun 22, 2002

What do you think? Is God lying to us? Should we reject these words as false and impossible?

Hey Goodnews, don't let your scriptural misinterpretation allow you to believe God is a liar.

That would be blasphemy. It looks as though there is a hole in the preterist view.

Instead you may want to question your interpretation of scripture and not question if God is a liar!

goodnewsinc · Jun 22, 2002

Scriptures were presented! Questions were asked. You answered none of them! Try again and ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! Attempting to disparage me for posting the questions is not an answer! Never "shoot the postman"! Deal with the Author of the scriptures. These texts are 2-4 thousand years old and none of us had anything to do with writing or translating them. If you dislike what they say, please take your complaints to Father and Jesus, if you think it will help. Thanks.

KJV Psa 119:89 Lamed. For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.
KJV Psa 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name .

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Auntie · Jun 22, 2002

Originally posted by goodnewsinc

Scriptures were presented! Questions were asked. You answered none of them! Try again and ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!

I, for one, don't have the slightest idea what the question is. :scratch:

You post scripture, and then ask is God deceitful.

Why do you think God is deceitful? What do you think those scriptures mean?

Mallory Knox · Jun 22, 2002

Guys I really don't think he was calling God a liar. He was being like a hyper preacher. You know,

Preacher: "Now look at these passages, do you think they are false?"

Congregation: "NO!"

"Is God LYING to us?"

"NO!"

"Is our God DECEITFUL and UNTRUTHFUL?"

"NO!"

Patmosman_sga · Jun 22, 2002

I'm not really sure what his question is, either. All I know is that the Scriptures he cites are fulfilled every Sunday.

GTX · Jun 22, 2002

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
Guys I really don't think he was calling God a liar. He was being like a hyper preacher. You know,

Preacher: "Now look at these passages, do you think they are false?"

Congregation: "NO!"

"Is God LYING to us?"

"NO!"

"Is our God DECEITFUL and UNTRUTHFUL?"

"NO!"

Well goodnewsinc is this true? Are you being like a hyperpreacher?

The thing is Mallory, I can't be sure with the preterist, with there quest to proclaim all prophesy spiritual, I am really never sure.

If this is what you meant goodnews, I apologize.

davo · Jun 22, 2002

G'day goodnewsinc :wave:

Originally posted by goodnewsinc
Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain shall the Lord of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees , of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory ; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

What do you think? Is God lying to us? Should we reject these words as false and impossible?

Not on your sweet nelly! -these words are saying:

"Salvation is a Banquet not a battle"

Isaiah 25:6-9 And in this mountain [i.e., Kingdom of God Dan 2:35c, 44; Mt 21:42-44] the LORD of hosts will make for all people a feast of choice pieces, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of well-refined wines on the lees. 7And He will destroy on this mountain the surface of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. 8He will swallow up death forever [Hos 13:14 1Cor 15:54-55], and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from all faces; the rebuke of His people He will take away from all the earth [Rev 21:4]; for the LORD has spoken. 9And it will be said in that day: "Behold, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for Him; we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."

Christ's 1st Coming and ALL that that entailed set in motion the salvation promised and prophesied under the Old Covenant and before. His 2nd Coming consummated this redemption forever.

The other Scriptures you mentioned ALL reflect the reality and scope of this blessed salvation found in Christ alone.

davo

goodnewsinc · Jun 22, 2002

Hi, Davo!

Are you an Aussie or New-Z guy? Nice to hear from you! Say hello to ALL out your way. Praise God!

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

Auntie · Jun 22, 2002

goodnewsinc,

Why didn't you just post a link to your website, or at least clue us in that you think EVERYONE receives salvation? But now tell me, do you REALLY believe God has a WIFE??

This is the problem when people attempt to interpret scripture apart from the authority of the church. We each go our own way and come up with wild ideas, and easily fall prey to false doctrines. And once you fall into that dark abyss, it is almost impossible for a brother(or a sister) to pull you out.

GTX · Jun 22, 2002

Amen Auntie!

It looks like we are not worthy to be acknowledged by goodnews, or at least me, he completely bypassed my question.

Auntie · Jun 23, 2002

Originally posted by GTX

Amen Auntie!

It looks like we are not worthy to be acknowledged by goodnews, or at least me, he completely bypassed my question.

Not exactly, GTX.

You see, goodnewsinc believes you are God, well "cells" of God, anyway, he can't insult you because he would be literally insulting God. So he is in big trouble.

davo · Jun 23, 2002

Originally posted by goodnewsinc
Hi, Davo!
Are you an Aussie or New-Z guy? Nice to hear from you! Say hello to ALL out your way. Praise God!

As the song goes: "I come from a land downunder!"

-the neighbours come from 'the land of the long white cloud.'

davo

goodnewsinc · Jun 23, 2002

Hi, All!

The post is something for YOU to think about as you commune with the your own mind. You are capable of weighing what is written. Now I am sure you feel that you are in tune with Heaven. God must lead us in all we trust or we will be mislead by demons. Now on our American money "in God we trust" can be found. The question is simple enough. Do we or should we trust God to be the Father of His Word in all truthfullness and integrity? Will He do what He said? If your answer is "God cannot lie", then that raises more questions, doesn't it? Should we believe God or what we have been taught all our lives? It is something to turn over in the mind. YOU have to come to your own conclusions for your own satisfaction! Can this be true?

Isaiah 40:1. Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. 2. Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.

GOOD NEWS, Inc.

GTX · Jun 23, 2002

Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um

Not exactly, GTX. You see, goodnewsinc believes you are God, well "cells" of God, anyway, he can't insult you because he would be literally insulting God. So he is in big trouble.

You mean I am God or partially God? Cool! Well then I command the preterists to look forward to the day of my return for it is promised, I will decend from the heavens and claim my bride! I will also fight the battle of Armageddon as I have promised, and every man woman and child will see this! It will be an unprecedented historical event for which NO ONE will have any doubts.

Auntie · Jun 23, 2002

Originally posted by GTX

It will be an unprecedented historical event for which NO ONE will have any doubts.

Are you saying that God is not a God of confusion?? Hmmm....interesting concept.

The preterists would have us believe the church has been in a state of confusion for nearly 2000 years!

I agree with you, no way would God allow confusion concerning the return of Christ. Like the Bible says, when Christ returns EVERYONE will know it.

goodnewsinc · Jun 23, 2002

Hello, Friends!

I am not ignoring GTX or anyone else. I just want you to "THINK" about those texts cited. It is the Word of God and I did not write those scriptures. You have to weigh God's honesty, and as you do that He will weigh your faith . So you want a link to my sites. Are you prepared to face wisdom that never entered the hearts of men that "eyes have not seen and ears have not heard"? If you say, "Yes"! then go to http://www.goodnewsinc.org . At the end of the page you will find a listing of all the GOOD NEWS theme sites. Are you ready? Then go for it!

GOOD NEWS, Inc. :clap:

gwyyn · Jun 23, 2002

Ok i'm totally confused by the purpose of this thread!!! :scratch:

First we are to answer the questions and then we are to think on it????

i dunno! :scratch:

GTX · Jun 23, 2002

So are you a universalist preterist goodnews?

Is this TRUE?????

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