Ten Commandment Day

oldsage said:

Could you post the text that says the 'stone tablets' represent the 'stony heart' of the nation of Israel?



ok, now this really doesn't make sense to me, you say that "obedience is now a matter of conscience" then state "guided by the Holy Spirit" Ok, this is a conflict, because if it is a matter of conscience then you make the choice, but if the Holy Spirit tells you then God makes the choice, which is it? you decide or God?
Now, what higher principles are there than God's Law? God has always looked at the intent of a person to see where they heart lies.

Now, if you are the one deciding or I am the one deciding, and we have no absolute standard which to judge from, who is to say who is right? How can we correct one another? How can we teach one another? Well, you could say the Holy Spirit will tell us, but if you look through the world today, or just do a sampling on the forum you can see the Holy Spirit seems to be telling people different things.

So, from my view, if the Ten Commandments are the same today as they were when God spoke of from the Mount, and wrote it on the tablets, then we have an absolute standard in which we can judge, guide, teach, and correct people. There isn't anyway to spiritualize it and then ignore what is plainly says, that wouldn't make any sense.


The Passover represented the coming Messiah and the sacrifice of Jesus, so they were prophetic in the sense of getting those involved to know and see the Messiah when He came.

The Ten Commandments are not symbolic, they don't point to some future fulfillment, the reflect the character of God, they tell us right from wrong, they tell us God's will, it is the standard of right and wrong. To brush them aside is to say that moral decadence is ok.

I really don't know how I can stress this any stronger but I hope and prayer that people can see the importance of God's law in the Christian life.

Chris

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oldwiseguy said:

The stone tablets represent the 'stoney heart' of the nation of Israel, upon which God imposed the legalistic commandments. Today he has written those laws, now spiritual in nature, upon hearts of flesh.

Many believe that because the commandments were 'carved in stone' that they must be obeyed forever as originally written. But, obedience in now a matter of conscience, guided by the Holy Spirit, following the higher principles of the law.

Remember that Christ changed the symbols of Passover to bread and wine. It is no longer necessary to kill an animal, as he fulfilled that symbolism with reality on Calvary. Apply the antithesis to the commandments, that's what God desires from you as a christian.

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ThreeAM said:

The prophets prophecied Christ would be cut off for the sins of others and then the sacrifical system would cease. No where does the Bible say the Ten Commandments would cease at the death of Christ.

Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Daniel 9:26-27 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:.... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

When Christ died the animal sacrifical system ceased to have value to God as shown by the tearing from TOP TO BOTTOM of the temple veil a central piece of the sacrifical system.

Mat 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. 38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

So I guess this ark of the testament in heaven has what inside of it?

Written in stone implies the unchangeable nature of God's Law. Christ died rather than changing God's perfect Law. We in use that phase for the same meaning today. "Its written in stone it can't be changed"

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Keeping the Law of God does not save you but those who are saved will keep the commandments.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

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oldsage said:

Could you post the text that says the 'stone tablets' represent the 'stony heart' of the nation of Israel?
ok, now this really doesn't make sense to me, you say that "obedience is now a matter of conscience" then state "guided by the Holy Spirit" Ok, this is a conflict, because if it is a matter of conscience then you make the choice, but if the Holy Spirit tells you then God makes the choice, which is it? you decide or God?

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oldwiseguy said:

God is going to replace our stoney heart with one of flesh, a clear reference to the undwelling Holy Spirit. The (last five) commandments are the criminal law of both ancient Israel and most societies today. If we break those commandments we are nothing but common criminals, not christians. I don't think God wants our worship limited to 'abstaining from evil'. That teaching is for children. We must go forward and keep the intent of those laws.

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oldsage said:

Now, what higher principles are there than God's Law? God has always looked at the intent of a person to see where they heart lies.

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oldwiseguy said:

Jesus was asked 'who is my neighbor'? He replied with the parable of the good Samaritan. The deeds done by him were not the works of the law, although he did fulfill them by not doing evil to the injured man.

Are you saying that the Samaritan should have just 'passed on the other side' like the others and not stopped to render aid, and been content with 'not doing him evil'? It seems that you are, as you say there is no higher purpose to the law.

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oldwiseguy said:

I believe Jesus expressed that higher purpose.

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oldwiseguy said:

Regarding conscience and free will: When you are yielded to God his indwelling spirit becomes your conscience. You have surrendered your will (in such matters) to Him.

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Soon Rev 22:11-12 said:

Ten Commandments Commission Petition

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The Ten Commandment Commission is an influential coalition of religious leaders dedicated

to promoting the Ten Commandments. They are concerned with the degrading morals in
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Below is a petition to the Commission to let them know we are positive about the Ten Commandments and

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