Abortion

Originally posted by Mallory Knox
If the woman will die she has the right to abort.

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You need to stick with your original question. The question was "when is it okay?", not "when does she have the right?" A woman always has the right to do anything, it's just not always "okay." Let's get that straight.

Now when is it okay. Never.

"And whoever welcomes a little child in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believes in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea." -Matthew 18:5-6

These are Christ's words about it. Are you welcoming one of these little ones when you kill it before it has a chance to live? If the mother dies then it was God's will to do so. But there are so many ways around that with todays technology that it isn't even that probable. But nonetheless if it happens it was the will of God to let it happen. If you think that's easy for a guy to say...You're wrong! How easy do you think it would be for a husband to watch the love of his life die and his child die too? Does that make the man comfortable? Who will be with him at night? Who will he turn to when he's upset? How will he feel when he shows up at an empty house? You haven't thought about that have you? And who are you to judge the decisions of God Almighty. If a woman got raped, she didn't HAVE to get pregnant. God allowed it. It doesn't happen for no reason.

"You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." -Genesis 50:20

Don't you see that even though the "raper" meant to harm her, that God intended a baby to be born who would bring about another part of His will?? A baby is conceived by the will of God alone. He is the Lord of all life, and nothing happens without Him allowing it. Every pregnacy should be cherished no matter the circumstances, and should not be harmed.

"I don't know why people bring children into this world. I know what a sick messed-up world it is. Why are you asking me? You know the answer, you have to "be fruitful and multiply", right, God says so. If you want the answer you just read the Bible and there it is. Easy. I try to figure things out for myself"

Well the question was more for you to get a differnt perspective on things. I hope that someday I will have a kid or two as well. I know they well suffer just like we all do at times. I hope though they become strong Christians and lead fruitful lives. Yes I known they may not end up being Christians but I'll sure pray to God that they CHOOSE (not forced) to be!

"If you think that's easy for a guy to say...You're wrong!"

Now that you bring it up I would like to touch on this as well. I know that many times boyfriends will be the ones to try to coax their girlfriends into getting the abortion! Because he doesn't want the responsibility or whatever his poor excuse would be. Not always that way though. The kid is equaly from the man and woman even though the woman does the 9 months carrying. The woman can get the abortion without his say in it which I think is also unfair and make no sense what so ever to me. Also it's hard for a husband if he knows his wife that he has loved for years may die if she doesn't get an abortion. I known it would be tough but I would pray to God trusting that whatever his will may be that it will be done. Same goes with rape if the woman is married. I know if I was the husband I would love the kid but I know there may be some big things I would have to sort through first.

Well in all actuality sex before marriage isn't "okay" either....

"Time for America to wake up and adopt your system of values?"

Well I wish baby killing wasn't legal. Girls are now just tossing babies in dumpsters. Why even mess with an abortion? All because the baby is inside of you and attached to you doesn't mean it's not a seperate human. Extreme example time since we seem to like to bring up extremes on this thread. How would you feel if you lived in a society that believes it's ok to marry any woman against her will and raping her is ok and if she gets to out of hand she can be killed? I guess then you may want people to adopt your values? Or would you say that's ok?

"Well in all actuality sex before marriage isn't "okay" either...."

Very true but we need a new topic on that. That I could go on for a while about also.

Like Christ said...."whoever welcomes one these little ones in my name welcomes me."

All abortion is not welcoming the baby therefore it is not okay

Originally posted by Project 86
Problem I have is planned parenthood. I have talked to 2 girls that got pregnant. Both Christians thats believe abortion is wrong in all cases. Guess what? They tried to talk them both into abortions, even after they told them they didn't want one, they kept giving them reasons why abortion would be the correct choice. This is a fact. This is coming from very trustworthy people I have known for years. It's digusting and it's 2 for 2. Sound like it's something they try to get a good percentage of women to do.

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I know exactly what you're talking about here. I once went to a medical clinic because I having abdominal problems, the Doctor (who was the first female doctor I ever went to) asked me if I planned on having kids, I said no not realy, then she asked me if I was sexualy active, and if I used birth control. I told her yes I was active and no I wasn't using birth control. Then she said something about when I get my period and if not I better get in there right away so we could do something about it. And as for the pains I was having in my abdomin she said it was probably just stress and I should quit my job. It wasn't untill later that I relized what she meant by do something about it. My thought then was who is she to tell me what to do, If I were to be pregnant (wich I wasn't) I would have the baby there are no other alternatives. Needless to say, I never saw that Doctor again.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


I am absolutely not talking about Mommy making a mistake and sleeping with the wrong guy. I thought that was very clear.

So you would gladly die so the child inside you would have a chance at life? What if you already had children that needed you?

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Yes I would, I could not condone killing the baby, The other children would hopefully have a good father, He could get married again.

"Yes I would, I could not condone killing the baby, The other children would hopefully have a good father, He could get married again."

And even if there wasn't a father that they would come to get a loving father and mother. Also a note I forgot to mention. Babies go very fast in adoptions! So the chances of a baby going through all of life in a foster home is slim to none.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


So the woman suffers the rest of her life because of a crime she did not commit.

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And how would she suffer her entire life? She can give the baby up for adoption. What is nine months of suffering compared to the life of another person, an innocent baby!

and has anyone heard of post-abortion syndrone (don't know actual name of it) but it's where (and doctor's won't tell you this at the time but...

When the mother of an aborted child has an abortionnothing happens right away. But after abotu 3 years, the mother is sure to see a child about the age that the baby would be. There can be uncontrollable crying, actual birth pains, cramps, all that birth stuff, deep depression, etc. But no one tells you about this kinda stuff before-hand.

"and has anyone heard of post-abortion syndrone (don't know actual name of it) but it's where (and doctor's won't tell you this at the time but...

When the mother of an aborted child has an abortionnothing happens right away. But after abotu 3 years, the mother is sure to see a child about the age that the baby would be. There can be uncontrollable crying, actual birth pains, cramps, all that birth stuff, deep depression, etc. But no one tells you about this kinda stuff before-hand."

Yeah that can very well happen and does happen in some cases. I think for now I have said what I have needed to say on this thread unless for some reason I feel a need to respond again. Anyone that is suffering in the sinful world we live in read the verses in my tag below and live them out. It really can turn things around.

This is very interesting thread, espicially the medical side. When I was pregnant, at 18 weeks they do a ultrasound and a blood test to check for abnormalities. At the time I worked in the ER, and my personel doctor was the one working the night before my tests. I was asking the nurses about the test and what all could be told by the tests. Well my dr asked me that if the tests should come back showing the baby had a severe deformity or something of the sorts, would I desist with the pregnacy.

Ok my jaw dropped one cause my dr is a catholic and I was shocked he'd even mention abortion, and second cause I had never thought of the what if's.

However my answer was NO. My main reason was cause I'm already attached to the baby. Secondly no matter what the imperfection with the baby, technology today can help with making the childs life more fulfilling.

Sorry to ramble but I thought I would give my opinion and story on the issue.

oh and I had a normal test results. And in August of that year I delivered a healthy 8lb boy.

Well my stoping of posts on this thread was short lived. Congrats on the baby boy Gwyyn!

hey thanks project, but now he's a nearly 2 yr old monkey-fish who loves to terrorize the family pets LOL

"monkey-fish"

Hmm that's a new one. Well atleast it sounds like he'll keep mom in shape!

No, that's not what I said at all. Slower:

You're a widow. You have four (or whatever) young children, YOU are all THEY have. You get raped. You get pregnant. You are told that this time you will die if you give birth. Would you really die? Or would you live in order to protect and care for the children you already have?

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Deal with it. Put her faith in God. God will provide!!

I lived my whole life without my mother and father for that matter.

On a personal note I HAVE CANCER, and I am pregnant. I have two kids. Of course abortion never came to my mind. I had to make a chioce to have surgery with a risk to my baby or wait until I deliver and put my faith in God that things would be okay. It is a extremely hard decision to make. I decided to wait.

Originally posted by Mallory Knox


No, that's not what I said at all. Slower:

You're a widow. You have four (or whatever) young children, YOU are all THEY have. You get raped. You get pregnant. You are told that this time you will die if you give birth. Would you really die? Or would you live in order to protect and care for the children you already have?

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That is a good question, I am with Kristen and the others, Abortion is wrong.

But I will say this a very depressing and grim hypothetical question, and either way, someone will suffer.

Life can be cruel, this is a good reason to have faith in Christs promise.