ecstasy

You can go to MAPS.org for fair and unbiased reporting on MDMA. MAPS is a non-profit research and educational organization that studies into the risks and benefits of many maligned drugs like MDMA pot and misc psychadelics.

I can tell you that the most used anti MDMA propaganda (holes in the brain study, and MDMA causes permanent nuerotoxicity after one use) Is proven to be falsified by the doctor Georges Ricaurte. He works for John Hopkins, and is paid to do these studies by the DEA. you can find links to the falsification, and his retraction in New Scientist at MAPS.org.

The truth is that there is a lot of therapeutic value in MDMA and when it was abused it was classified Schedule 1 and it shouldn't be.

STS that would be really great but as a former dealer i know that there are about 8 million different kinds of E. many are cut with everything from H to coke. so info on "MDMA" cant be used in everyday situations.

I find http://www.erowid.com to be a relatively informative site. You can visit the MDMA page at http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

The site compiles a lot of different sources to create a sort of database on drugs. There are user experiences (which I find to be the most interesting), news articles, scientific journals, law databases, book references, etc. for all drugs.

Before we call drugs theraputic, not everyone has poor effects but thousands are killed every year instantly.

Search online but don't worry too much about your friend, as long as she really has stopped most long term effects would have already started. The generation of 30 somethings in London all did Es when the rave scene was popular, but there haven't been many stories - just mainly poor concentration and memory loss.

Ampmonster said:

STS that would be really great but as a former dealer i know that there are about 8 million different kinds of E. many are cut with everything from H to coke. so info on "MDMA" cant be used in everyday situations.

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yes there are tons of variations of E..."brands" if you will. many differ in purity. however, the whole "cut with H coke" thing is often used when, in reality, the cutting of MDMA with those things is usually rare. a lot of times, however, people use things such as PMA as an MDMA 'subsitute' ... these actions are quite dangerous. people also tend to cut all sorts of drugs with aspirin or caffeine...a lot of times people won't use EXPENSIVE things such as heroin or cocaine to cut their products with..it's simply not cost effective.

ps: this whole cutting of drugs, not knowing what you're buying, etc, is a good reason why i think drugs should be legalised. have the drugs regulated in purity, it will save a lot of deaths in this country.

AsburyJuke said:

Before we call drugs theraputic, not everyone has poor effects but thousands are killed every year instantly.

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From Ecstasy? I think you're mistaken. There are only a handful of deaths ever attributed to E, many from dehydration.

Search online but don't worry too much about your friend, as long as she really has stopped most long term effects would have already started. The generation of 30 somethings in London all did Es when the rave scene was popular, but there haven't been many stories - just mainly poor concentration and memory loss.

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How do you know these are side-effects of E? Was it the only drug those folks were taking?

Philosoft said:

From Ecstasy? I think you're mistaken. There are only a handful of deaths ever attributed to E, many from dehydration.

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what's generally more dangerous (and much more common) than dehydration deaths are overhydration deaths...consuming too much water. E makes you insanely thirsty, and yo can easily consume too much water. this can happen to athletes as well.

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Ampmonster said:

STS that would be really great but as a former dealer i know that there are about 8 million different kinds of E. many are cut with everything from H to coke. so info on "MDMA" cant be used in everyday situations.

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Um - I won't go into my past but Amp hit the nail on the head with this one -

I thought it soaked up all the brain chemicals that made you 'happy', risking prolonged and severe depression after coming down.

Kelly said:

I thought it soaked up all the brain chemicals that made you 'happy', risking prolonged and severe depression after coming down.

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I don't think so. I've never actually bothered to deeply research it, but here's what I vaguely remember: MDMA (or one of its metabolites) mimics serotonin. The influx of pseudo-serotonin (among other things) is responsible for the "high." The "low" occurs when MDMA is fully metabolized and serotonin levels return to normal. By then, the brain is somewhat used to the increased serotonin-receptor stimulation and the "normal" level is interpreted as a deficiency.

Whether anyone is at risk for long-term depression via ecstasy use is probably unanswerable at this point.

Philosoft said:

From Ecstasy? I think you're mistaken. There are only a handful of deaths ever attributed to E, many from dehydration.
How do you know these are side-effects of E? Was it the only drug those folks were taking?

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Correct. Whenever someone gets hospitalized due to ecstasy, it's nearly always because they've taken a ridiculously large amount of it - without bothering to do any research on safe dosages beforehand.

From what I understand, ecstasy is the most harmful drug on the market. I've done lots of research (IE, last 3 school research papers have been on drugs, read a few books, etc) it is the most destrctive drug towards the brain as well.

STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS.

Overhydration due tot he fact that all the water ends up distilling the sodium in your blood which ends up killing you basically.

Your research has led you to the wrong conclusion then, Nick. While no drug is safe (aspirin, tylenol, pot, mdma) it is by no means one of the most harmful drugs.
and yes, the overhydration can kill you, it is called hyponatremia. You are basically causing a sodium imbalance.

Used in the right way, this can be a powerfully positive drug. MAPS has gotten the approval under way for it to be used in PTSD studies. I got in touch with them, and tried to get my dad involved. But they currently are only dealing with rape victims. I can't wait for the day where this drug is used in the right way and not abused. And most importantly, when the ignorant propaganda is seen for what it is, LIES

drugs fill a void

drugs also cure ailments

Kelly said:

I thought it soaked up all the brain chemicals that made you 'happy', risking prolonged and severe depression after coming down.

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Way to go Kelly

The only long-term (ish) studies which have been performed show an increased incidence of depression in people who have regularly used MDMA. No difference for those who used it infrequently.

It is unclear whether the depression is cause or effect of the regular MDMA usage, but current theory is that the receptors are re-set in the brain.

MDMA causes release of serotonin (and noradrenaline) which are happy hormones. In regular users, the brain receptors get used to the high levels of these. So when the user stops using, the brain thinks it doesn;t have enough happy hormones, and exhibits depression.

Antidepressant drugs like venlafaxine and fluoxetine act on the same hormones and receptors, by decreasing the re-uptake of the hormones, so they stay in the receptor for longer.

A lot of MDMA users also take antidepressants, which makes the effect of MDMA last 24 hours, and has an even more profound effect on the brain when the drugs are withdrawn.

SqueezetheShaman said:

Your research has led you to the wrong conclusion then, Nick. While no drug is safe (aspirin, tylenol, pot, mdma) it is by no means one of the most harmful drugs.
and yes, the overhydration can kill you, it is called hyponatremia. You are basically causing a sodium imbalance.

Used in the right way, this can be a powerfully positive drug. MAPS has gotten the approval under way for it to be used in PTSD studies. I got in touch with them, and tried to get my dad involved. But they currently are only dealing with rape victims. I can't wait for the day where this drug is used in the right way and not abused. And most importantly, when the ignorant propaganda is seen for what it is, LIES

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Everyone can come to a conclusion, doesn't mean we will agree on that conclusion. And, I've not had enough coffee in me to explain my side - only been up 20 minutes so cut me some slack this morning Suzy Sunshine

SqueezetheShaman said:

drugs also cure ailments

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this too i do agree with - see - I agree with you on things too aim!