Originally posted by Defender of the Faith 777
Ed, that post was slightly hostile. I don't want you to be angry at me; I've never even talked to you before.
I'm sorry if you felt that I was slightly hostile by my saying you're wrong. Please rest assured that I'm not angry at you nor am I hostile. But there is no other of saying you're wrong.
I'm sorry, typo there. When I said "do their best the best they know how", I was implying their deeds. How well they followed Him through actions. That was all unnecessary if you would have actually read my post a little more thoroughly.
I have read your post thoroughly. As a matter of fact, my post contained the exact things you posted. Your reasons for believing that LDS, Catholics and other Christians are Christians are WRONG.
WHOA! The Bible does not say, "those who disobey His teaching does not have life". It says that those who do not believe in Him do not have life. I do not trust you quoting verses anymore. The twisting was caught red-handed. The Bible does not say that. Therefore, please don't say it does.
If you go back to my post, you will notice that there are no quotation marks because I was not precisely quoting the verse. The version of the Bible I'm referring to is the Today's English Version TEV.
The verse says, "Whoever BELIEVES in the son has eternal; life; whoever DISOBEYS the Son does not have life, but will remain under God's punishment."
This version of John 3:36 requires two things: 1) one must BELIEVE the son; and 2) one must OBEY the son (meaning, OBEY his teachings and commands to have eternal life.
One who says he BELIEVES in Jesus but does not OBEY his tachings and commands will not see life. The wrath of God ABIDES in him.
The teaching of Christ was that He was fully divine, fully man.
This is FALSE. Christ did NOT teach that he ws fully divine, fully man. This is a LIE that the DEVIL wants everyone to believe.
Jesus said "he is a MAN" (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). This doesn't look like Christ was teaching that he was fully God and fully man.
He said it discreetly, because He had to continue His ministry for three years before He was crucified. If He straight up said that He was God, the Pharisees would have killed Him. How is it that one could simotaneously please both at the same time. This is displaying the persons in the Trinity it does not disprove it
Are you speaking for Jesus? How do you know what was in his mind?
2 John 9: is that a little joke or are you serious. You have to be kidding to ignore the 13 contexts I posted, and post this one that also helps prove our point.
The 13 contexts you posted CANNOT make what Jesus said in John 17:3 FALSE! Do you think 2 John 9 is a joke? You are saying that "believing that Jesus is God is necessary for salvation." Is that what Christ taught. If it isn't, then you are not staying in the teachings of Christ.
In this part, I wasn't talking to you here. So you accuse me of not believing or obeying His commands: just because I said "Jesus loves you!"?! "One the other hand my friend, if you TRULY look up to Jesus to SAVE you, you better BELIEVE what he says and OBEY his commands."
Saying "Jesus loves you" does not mean you are not believing or obeying his commands. Jesus says he is a MAN and the FATHER is the ONLY true God. You better believe this.
Ed, post whatever you want to. I will not respond to it. My back is turned, take all the free shots out on me that you want. I won't be on this thread to see it.
That's up to you. Like the saying goes, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Ed
