Something to think about.

I don't understand the question. But I can, take this world and compare it to the Buble, and see that the things happeing around the world, are predicted. Do you want me to tell you some of the signs that will happen?

The Bible's predictions are very vague, and basically every generation from Jesus' time to today have assumed that we are in the "end times". Heck, Jesus even told his followers that they were living in the end times: Matthew 23:36, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27, Luke 21:32, and John 21:22. His disciples thought so, as well: Philippians 4:5, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 10:37, James 5:8, 1 Peter 1:20, 1 Peter 4:7, and 1 John 2:18. 1 John 4:3 even says that the Anti-Christ was born in Jesus' time.

How does the strange prophecy of Revelations apply to us specifically, as opposed to anyone living in a time of war?

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Isn't this thread drifting away from a discussion of science and toward something more appropriate to the General Apologetics board?

Evolution doesn't have anything at all to say about Bible prophecy or apocalyptic visions, or about the putative fulfillment of them... I think it is important to understand that some people who accept evolution have religious beliefs like Darrions' and others do not. If we are to discuss religious beliefs, lets be sure we don't confuse skepticism with science.

I don't beleive in evolution, I beleive in the one true God, who sent His Son to die for us. The Son is Jesus Christ. I beleive In Jesus, and always will. Nothing is going to change my mind about it. Because I know, that when I die, I will go to heaven. And that's through Jesus Christ, God's Son.

Originally posted by DARRIONS
I don't beleive in evolution, I beleive in the one true God, who sent His Son to die for us. The Son is Jesus Christ. I beleive In Jesus, and always will. Nothing is going to change my mind about it. Because I know, that when I die, I will go to heaven. And that's through Jesus Christ, God's Son.

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As long as you are aware that it is possible to believe in Jesus and also accept the scientific theory of evolution, then all we can do is offer to show you the scientific reasons for accepting evolution. If you aren't interested, that is your choice to make. Maybe later on you will find your interest is renewed & you will want to find out more.

Originally posted by Jerry Smith
Isn't this thread drifting away from a discussion of science and toward something more appropriate to the General Apologetics board?

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Yes, I think it's appropriate for it to be moved, but debate is a raft, not a motorboat. It goes wherever the wind takes it, and it's pretty hard to steer it.

I'm not going to accept something that isn't true. I already know that I have the right answer, and I'm not going t settle for second best. God already sent the best thing, and I am only settleing for best. I don't want to accept evolution, and I'm not going to.

Darrions, evolution is not a religion. It is a scientific fact, like gravity or relativity. You don't need to "believe" in it.

So you're saying that monkeys turning into humans is a scientific fact? That goes against EVERYTHING the Bible says, and when something goes against what the Bible syas, I don't beleive it. That doesn;t mean, I'm not oign to study animals and such, but all that monkey's turning into humans stuff is wrong, and I REFUSE to be deceived by it.

Originally posted by DARRIONS
So you're saying that monkeys turning into humans is a scientific fact? That goes against EVERYTHING the Bible says, and when something goes against what the Bible syas, I don't beleive it. That doesn;t mean, I'm not oign to study animals and such, but all that monkey's turning into humans stuff is wrong, and I REFUSE to be deceived by it.

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Where does the Bible indicate that humans and apes do not share a common ancestor?

Yes, it is known from science that humans did evolve from an ape-like ancestor, so no- that knowledge will not deceive you. I don't think the Bible says that we didn't. I think it only says that God created us - I don't think it goes into the detail about how it happened. It says God made us out of the dust of the earth, that just means he started with dust and ended up with us. That doesn't mean that evolution didn't happen during the "making".

I just want you to be aware that you can be a conservative Christian without denying the science of evolution.

Originally posted by DARRIONS
But we DO have a way of looking back to see if the sun did stop. It's a Book called the "BIBLE."

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The Bible does relate a story about the sun stopping, but it is not a scientific text. If you believe that the Bible is a scientific and literal record of the origin and history of our world, do you feel that Revelations is a scientific description of how the world will literally end?

I mean, how many books and/or coursework have you read and stidied on evolution to bring you to the knowledge you have obtained? In comparisson- Have you taken courses from a Bible College or church that teach scripture as truth?

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I spent four years in as an undergraduate in college studying Genetics and Latin. I am now a graduate student working on my doctorate and studying evolution and genetics. I am not a biblical scholar, so I am trying my best to relay opinions of those more experienced in this than me. I have not taken courses which require that the entire Bible (Genesis in particular) be interpreted literally, but my opinions on reconciling science and religion come from conversations that I have with Christians like yourself about such topics. The Bible can still have spiritual truth if is it not totally scientifically or historical accurate. That’s what Christians have believed for centuries.

Here is a letter one Southern Baptist sent to his pastor concerning the discussions of Origins and evolution: A Letter to My Pastor. Pay close attention to what St. Augustine had to say 1600 years ago.

So you're saying that monkeys turning into humans is a scientific fact? That goes against EVERYTHING the Bible says, and when something goes against what the Bible syas, I don't beleive it. That doesn;t mean, I'm not oign to study animals and such, but all that monkey's turning into humans stuff is wrong, and I REFUSE to be deceived by it.

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1. Evolution never postulates that monkeys "turn into" humans. It does say that chimpanzees and humans had a common ancestor, some millions of years ago.
2. The only part of the Bible that evolution is contrary to is the very first part of Genesis. The story of the creation of the world is most likely an origin myth derived from Babylonian mythology. Read Genesis yourself. Which is more likely, God creating a world perfectly in tune with physics and biology that progresses generation by generation, or God saying some magic words and creating the whole world as it appears today?

Yes, Rufus. I do beleive Revelations explains how the world will end. And Rufus, it is only fare to say that any professor teaching evolution-believes it to be true or at least highly probalble. Wouldn't it be just as fare to say that these same teachers of evolution do not beleive the Bible to be truth? If so, how can you justify your perspective of God's word being correct?

Ashibaka, the Bible says that God spoke and the world was created. God spoke all things into being. If God is God, He can do anything he wishes. INCLUDING making a planet that can sustain human life.

Originally posted by DARRIONS
Wouldn't it be just as fare to say that these same teachers of evolution do not beleive the Bible to be truth?

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No, that would not be fair at all. We've just detailed how evolution is a science mutually compatible with Christianity, and I'm not sure if you took our words at face value. It's not like we're trying to trick you into coming over to the Dark Side, you know.

The Bible says that God spoke and the world was created.

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The Bible also says that languages were created when some stupid humans built a tower too high and it was about to upset God's kingdom in the clouds. Which is a better hypothesis: that God lives in the clouds, or that the story of Babel is a myth accidentally placed in the Bible?

This thread alone sickens me greatly. Seeing young Christians being influenced away from got by athiests on a Christian board. What am I talking about? You say evolution doesn't interfer with God? Wrong. Not with the true God, it gets in the way majorly with him. Let me list the reasons why. Last thing I want to say before getting to the points is that this isn't about me being right you bring wrong. This is God being right and anyone else that doesn't agree with him being wrong. I use to be so pridful myself until I gave myself up to the Lord. Now it's time that he uses me for his good will to make up for the years I worked on destroying it.

1. The subject of Salvation gets twisted when evolution that we came from other species is believed. Christianity begins to crumble. If you don't think so your fooling yourself. I could give you many reasons why this is the case but I challenge Christians to read Genesis, read the 4 books on Jesus life, pray to God and you'll see obvious reasons why us evolving from another species causes major problems with the topic of salvation.

2. God told us how life was started. Like it or not if you believe in evolution you do call God a liar. It's as plain as that and don't try to talk your way around it by calling it "just a story" or just some fancy poetic way of describing how God started it all. Doesn't work that way.

3. Bible teaches false science like the world is flat is something athiest love to use yet when used in context shows them they are so wrong. There is more proof the bible decribes the world as round then it is flat. Anyone that's without the Holy Spirit won't be able to understand the bible the way it needs to be understood. Take that into account when reading something from someone "teaching us what the bible tells us". Hard thing to believe, specially for someone that doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit to begin with but this is the case.

4. Lack of proof of evolution. Taught it in school. Read many books on it. I think it's the most sorry excuse for science ever. Sorry to hurt people feelings on this one but it is. It's a joke that so much money is poured into research like this when it could be used in better fields of science. Yes fields of science. Science isn't evil but evolutionary science serves no real purpose but to defy God. I know I'll get flamed for this one but I'm not going to hide in a bubble like to many Christians do.

5. God tells us to not lean on mans understanding. Problem is those words go in one ear and out the other here. This is the perfect example of why we should follow Gods words here. We get lead astray, filled with false doubts and end up turing away from God.

P.S. You can try to argue these points that I get straight to the point with but I'm not here to argue I'm here to send a important message to any people that may be led astray by reading about evolution on these boards. Call me ignorant, called my uneducated, I honestly don't care. For it is only what God thinks of this post that counts. I may or may not reply to anything posted after this message. It depends on what I'm lead to do.

Originally posted by CelandineBaggins
What about this, creation lasted six days. Man was created on the sixth day, on the same day as animals. Animals include apes. Now I know that to God a thousand years is like a day and a day is like a thousand years, but in our time perspective, how do you push a million or so years into the time between when God created monkeys and when God created Man?

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How about this?

God spoke on the first day, and light was formed later because of His speaking, God spoke on the second day, and later, the light was separated from the darkness because of His speaking, God spoke on the third day, etc...

Or how about this, "day" is a methaphorical word that can mean an indefinite period of time (perhaps a very long one)...

Or how about this, the literal POINT of the words of Genesis are to relate (in a way that simple people could understand) the important fact that God did the creating, and the "God said let there be", and the "It was morning and evening the first day" are metaphorical.

After all, God didn't even create the sun, the first "day" - so the word "day" AT LEAST must not mean the same thing you and I think of by the word...

Originally posted by Project 86
Lack of proof of evolution. Taught it in school. Read many books on it. I think it's the most sorry excuse for science ever.

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You know, when I walk through a forest and wonder at all the closely related species and how long it took for them to form from the first plants, I feel sorry for people like you. Whoops, ad hominem, sorry.

Anyway, if there's any science you should think has little observable basis, it's history. Or perhaps psychology.

You can try to argue these points that I get straight to the point with but I'm not here to argue I'm here to send a important message to any people that may be led astray by reading about evolution on these boards.

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If you don't want to argue, please don't post.