It is false theology to say that Jesus is revealed through the things that are made.
"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made
" (Rm1:20)
"All things came into being through Him (Jesus), and apart from Him nothing came into being that exists." (Jn1:3)
Likewise, just because the word 'all' is used in a sentence, it doesn't have to mean 'everyone'
"So then through one transgression (Adam's) came condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness (Jesus-on-the-Cross) came justification to all men" (Rm5:18) ---Why is the first "pas-anthropos", the WORLD, and the SECOND "pas-anthropos" is ONLY-GOD'S-ELECT?
"He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for those of the whole world" (1Jn2:2) ---Why is this either, "also for those of the whole-ONLY-ELECT-world", or you accept it IS "the world" but reason it's an "empty-hypothetical, they technically COULD be saved if He had CALLED them but since He DIDN'T they haven't a chance" ? Why can it not allow for, "Jesus died to take away the sin of the WORLD" ("Kosmos"---circle of Earth, ALL HUMANITY) (Jn1:29)?
God's predestination of His elect does not violate the elect's free will. That is a straw man attack on the truth.
Black-and-white, either we receive Him by our own choice, or He irresistibly drags us towards salvation. "Free Will" says that man can and do decline the calling-to-salvation. As the parable in Matt22.
Free will has limits. Everyone knows that. Read Romans 7
Romans 7 is a perfect example of limitless free will. Paul has gained a new spiritual nature, but the old fleshly nature still exists and at times wars with the new. The solution is in chapter 8, "set your minds on the Spirit, life---or set your minds on the flesh, death." Absolute free will, before and after salvation.
"So then, brethren, we are under OBLIGATION, not to the flesh to live according to the flesh
but (to live) by the Spirit putting to death the deeds of the flesh; for all who ARE BEING LED by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God
" (Rm8:12-14) We choose to follow the Spirit, as He leads us to put to death our flesh
Perfect free will, all the way
How is it that the sending of Jesus was a demonstration of God's love for them when He knew they would reject Jesus?
Already answered that. God is perfectly just. Each person has the same opportunity, Jesus died for ALL. "He who BELIEVES is not judged, but he who DOES NOT BELIEVE is condemned already". Jn3:18 Perfect free will
"I have set before you life-and-prosperity, and death-and-adversity; I command you to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, that the Lord your God may bless you in the land where you are entering. But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, then I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. I call Heaven and Earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. SO CHOOSE LIFE in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days." Deut30 This is God's presentation, His approach. To be perfectly just, He must allow perfect free will. they are without excuse
But earlier Ben said: No. The Jews did not believe He was the Messiah, because they had not received Him. Because Peter had received JESUS as his LORD and SAVIOR, Peter believed He was the Messiah. It's not a "catch-22", it's a "receive-Him, or NOT".
That is why I asked him. His response is to say they all mean the same thing. That makes his earlier statements nonsense. If believing in Him and receiving Him are the same thing then why does Ben use the word 'because'? [see above]. And if believing and receiving are the same thing, then why does Ben say because Peter received Jesus as His Lord and Savior he believed on Him? Why did he do it I ask and Ben says because he did it. Like I said, circular.
Believing in Jesus, and receiving Him, is the same thing. Believing He was the Messiah, is different. Peter believed-in-Jesus/RECEIVED-Him, so Peter also believed He was the Messiah. The Pharisees did not believe-in-Him/receive-Him. So they did not accept His kingship.
So that leaves my question unanswered. Why do people choose to believe on Jesus [and become one of the elect] and others do not? No Arminianist has given any reasonable answer to that question.
It's called, "Free Will". Some men choose to love God, some prefer sin. "I shall take their hearts-of-stone and give them hearts-of-flesh, so that they may walk in My statutes and keep My commandments. Then they will be My people and I will be their God. BUT those whose hearts go after detestable things and abominations, I shall bring their conduct down upon their heads!" Ez11:19-21 Free will from the start to the finish. Some love God, some love sin
God's truth is not revealed to all men, which is plain by 1 Cor 1:18 "For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God." If they knew it as truth, it wouldn't be foolishness to them. See 1st Cor. 1:21, "For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom knew not God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe."
You have answered your own question. For those who believe/receive-Jesus, the Spirit reveals truths. Exactly as in Jn6, the Spirit revealed Jesus' kingship because he had believed-in/received Jesus. It's not very complicated
1Cor1:24 says, "to those who are THE called"---it is not a stretch to understand it as meaning, "the saved"; consider Rm8:29-30, He "foreknew, predestined-Christlikeness, called, justified, glorified"
It simply does not say that ALL-who-are-called-WILL-be-saved. It can easily mirror "The-called", as in "the-elect", as in "THEY-WHO-BELIEVE/RECEIVED (Jesus)"
To repeat, Calvinism and free will are not incompatible.
Since God knows in advance who will choose Him, only those He already knows will choose Him will in fact choose Him. Since according to God's foreknowledge these elect must choose God they really have no other choice but to choose God. Likewise everyone else CANNOT chose God because God didn't foresee them choosing Him, so they are locked out. They cannot choose God.
What's the definition of "straw man"? Either we have free will in our choice or not. Merely knowing they WILL choose Him does not CAUSE them to choose Him. BECAUSE He is just, then if they perish, the CAUSE must be their OWN
In summary, it is God who chooses to save whom He loves, and He saves them without violating their free wills. The rest are condemned for their willful sins and think the gospel foolish.
It is God who chooses to save whoever believes . Rm10:13
In the end, after all that has been said and done; the Armenian position, according to Ben and Scott, man has to keep the law perfectly, in order to keep himself saved.
Terms such as "Armenian position" are irrelevant. Scripture says we are NOT under law, but we "keep ourselves saved" by "keeping ourselves IN CHRIST" (Jd21). "Abiding in Him & His love" (1Jn4:16)
I have been slow to respond, because my heart has been burdened.
"Now the fruits of the flesh are
disputes, factions, dissensions
" (Gal5:19-20)
"Pursue righteousness, faith. Love, peace with those that call on the Lord out of a pure heart, but foolish and undisciplined questionings (arguments) refuse, knowing that they beget contentions." 2Tim2:22-23
And yet, "earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints". Jd3
"We are destroying arguments and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ
" (2Cor10:5)
It is my prayer that I have NOT sinned, that I have NOT engaged in contentions and foolish arguments, but that I have "in all things shown myself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, that they
may have nothing bad to say about me." Titus2:7-8
NOR do I wish to present myself as "Mr. SUPER-PIOUS", from some elevated plane, maybe a "special line-to-God"---I am not; just a man, who loves God with every fiber of his being, who posts on message boards with the intention of lifting his brothers and sisters, building in the faith, increasing fellowship, teaching and being taught. If I have fallen short, or offended anyone (esp Mike), then I formally, and humbly ask forgiveness.
I believe discussions should have a goal. Does this one still? Has all that could be said, already been said? Can we come to agreement? Or shall we respect each others' differences?