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I will try to answer your question, but first I want to say is, that I am not attacking you or your position. I am simply stating why I believe as I do. I do not believe in arguing over a event that we both know is going to happen, but may not exactly agree on when the event will take place. I cant be dogmatic about when the rapture will take place because I do not believe the Bible is specific on when it will happen. Here are the reasons I believe the rapture is pre-trib, and not post-trib.
So to start, in Revelation GOD gives us time periods that events happen in, or people have authority in. We see the time periods described as, times, time, and a half time, or 42 months, or 1260 days. These all describe a 3 1/2 year period, based on a 360 day prophetic year. There are two of these time periods that make up the 7 years tribulation. These 7 years will be, 2520 days, based on the 360 day prophetic year. The first half of the tribulation starts with the signing of the treaty, we read about in Daniel. If you are correct and the rapture/resurrection happens at CHRISTS physical return at the end of the tribulation. There are two future events to calculate to the exact day of both the return of CHRIST and the rapture/resurrection. These events are the signing of the treaty itself and the abomination of desolation. From the treaty there are 2520 days. From the abomination of desolation there are 1260 days.
Revelation 11: 1-3
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
The 42 months, or 1260 days here are, I believe the first half of the tribulation. When the anti-christ goes to the temple to proclaim himself god, he will kill these two witnesses on that same day. The war spoken of in heaven, has happened at this time also, and Satan and his fallen angels are thrown out and no longer have access to the eternal realm. Satan possesses the anti-christ at this time. This event will mark the mid-point of the tribulation.
Revelation 12: 6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12: 14
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Reading all of Chapter 12 you will see that the war in heaven happens at the mid-point of the tribulation. Verses 6 & 14 are parallels to the warning, of the abomination of desolation, to flee. Here the woman is clearly Israel. The people flee to a place were they are provided for, for 3 ½ years. These 1260 days are the 2nd half of the tribulation. Why does GOD say for 3 ½ years? What happens after these 1260 days are up? Christ returns.
Revelation 13: 5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Again reading the whole Chapter (13) will reveal more on the anti-christ. The 42 months here, are also the 2nd half of the tribulation. Again I ask, what event happens at the end of the 42 months? The anti-christ only will have power for 42 months. What ends his reign? The return of CHRIST.
So not to make this post extremely long, I will refer to the verses without posting them.
Revelation 14: 14-16, these verses are describing GOD, separating the saved people from the lost people of verses17-20. I personally believe this is the parallel of the one taken and one left verses of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. It could be that verses 14-16 are describing the rapture. The trouble I have with this is, if this is the rapture and all believers are taken up and are given their new bodies at the end of the tribulation at the return of CHRIST, who are the flesh and blood people that will re-populate the earth? For clearly verses 17-20, teach that lost are gathered and taken to the winepress of the wrath of GOD, and their bodies are eaten by the fowl of the air. There will be no lost people that will enter the 1000 year reign. Compare Rev. 14: 17-20 with Rev. 19: 11-21. It is the same event. Also compare the one left, one taken verses mentioned above.
Again I am just revealing why I believe what I believe. We are brothers in CHRIST, and we both know HE is coming again, and that is all that matters. What I see here is the love of GOD. This will be the worst time in the history of man. GOD is, I believe giving the saved hope, you have only 1260 days now, or as the days count down, you only have 50 days left. This will be an inspiration for those who are going through this time. Also, if you think about what I have presented. The people who see these events happen will be able to know the day CHRIST returns if the rapture takes place at this time, they will know the exact date it will all happen on. We have all been preached to, and taught, we can't know the day CHRIST will return, but the Bible clearly says you can know the day of CHRIST return. So the day we can't know must be another day. For the Bible clearly says there is a day we can't know, but we can see from scripture that the day of HIS return is not that day. Peace, but not yet.
I will try to answer your question, but first I want to say is, that I am not attacking you or your position. I am simply stating why I believe as I do. I do not believe in arguing over a event that we both know is going to happen, but may not exactly agree on when the event will take place. I cant be dogmatic about when the rapture will take place because I do not believe the Bible is specific on when it will happen. Here are the reasons I believe the rapture is pre-trib, and not post-trib.
So to start, in Revelation GOD gives us time periods that events happen in, or people have authority in. We see the time periods described as, times, time, and a half time, or 42 months, or 1260 days. These all describe a 3 1/2 year period, based on a 360 day prophetic year. There are two of these time periods that make up the 7 years tribulation. These 7 years will be, 2520 days, based on the 360 day prophetic year. The first half of the tribulation starts with the signing of the treaty, we read about in Daniel. If you are correct and the rapture/resurrection happens at CHRISTS physical return at the end of the tribulation. There are two future events to calculate to the exact day of both the return of CHRIST and the rapture/resurrection. These events are the signing of the treaty itself and the abomination of desolation. From the treaty there are 2520 days. From the abomination of desolation there are 1260 days.
Revelation 11: 1-3
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
The 42 months, or 1260 days here are, I believe the first half of the tribulation. When the anti-christ goes to the temple to proclaim himself god, he will kill these two witnesses on that same day. The war spoken of in heaven, has happened at this time also, and Satan and his fallen angels are thrown out and no longer have access to the eternal realm. Satan possesses the anti-christ at this time. This event will mark the mid-point of the tribulation.
Revelation 12: 6
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Revelation 12: 14
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Reading all of Chapter 12 you will see that the war in heaven happens at the mid-point of the tribulation. Verses 6 & 14 are parallels to the warning, of the abomination of desolation, to flee. Here the woman is clearly Israel. The people flee to a place were they are provided for, for 3 ½ years. These 1260 days are the 2nd half of the tribulation. Why does GOD say for 3 ½ years? What happens after these 1260 days are up? Christ returns.
Revelation 13: 5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Again reading the whole Chapter (13) will reveal more on the anti-christ. The 42 months here, are also the 2nd half of the tribulation. Again I ask, what event happens at the end of the 42 months? The anti-christ only will have power for 42 months. What ends his reign? The return of CHRIST.
So not to make this post extremely long, I will refer to the verses without posting them.
Revelation 14: 14-16, these verses are describing GOD, separating the saved people from the lost people of verses17-20. I personally believe this is the parallel of the one taken and one left verses of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. It could be that verses 14-16 are describing the rapture. The trouble I have with this is, if this is the rapture and all believers are taken up and are given their new bodies at the end of the tribulation at the return of CHRIST, who are the flesh and blood people that will re-populate the earth? For clearly verses 17-20, teach that lost are gathered and taken to the winepress of the wrath of GOD, and their bodies are eaten by the fowl of the air. There will be no lost people that will enter the 1000 year reign. Compare Rev. 14: 17-20 with Rev. 19: 11-21. It is the same event. Also compare the one left, one taken verses mentioned above.
Again I am just revealing why I believe what I believe. We are brothers in CHRIST, and we both know HE is coming again, and that is all that matters. What I see here is the love of GOD. This will be the worst time in the history of man. GOD is, I believe giving the saved hope, you have only 1260 days now, or as the days count down, you only have 50 days left. This will be an inspiration for those who are going through this time. Also, if you think about what I have presented. The people who see these events happen will be able to know the day CHRIST returns if the rapture takes place at this time, they will know the exact date it will all happen on. We have all been preached to, and taught, we can't know the day CHRIST will return, but the Bible clearly says you can know the day of CHRIST return. So the day we can't know must be another day. For the Bible clearly says there is a day we can't know, but we can see from scripture that the day of HIS return is not that day. Peace, but not yet.
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