Let's talk about the war on drugs
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Maxwell511 said:
1) In our lifetime, most definitely. The demand is remained steady since the war began.
2) Yeah. Any time someone is taken down, someone else fills their place. The money is too easy (in the short term at least). There will never be a shortage of people willing to take the risk again. Laws against the sale of drugs are already enough to completely ruin someone's life and that's not stopping it. Better enforcement could effect the equation, but we're already spending a fortune and barely making a dent.
3) I'd have to research that. But it's clearly a very lucrative one.
Good points.
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The consumption of drugs which impair our reason is immoral in itself. That would be a good reason for prohibitting them completely.
However, prohibition is proving so costly, not only in terms of money, but more importantly in human lives, that it might be better to liberate them for commerce and consumption.
However, prohibition is proving so costly, not only in terms of money, but more importantly in human lives, that it might be better to liberate them for commerce and consumption.
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touché, Maxwell
Brazil? Is that a free country (democracy)? If so, then you shouldn't seek to legislate morality and force it on people. In a free country a person's freedom should only be taken if they first take the freedom of someone else (i.e. kill them, hurt them, take their property).
Is alcohol illegal there? Caffiene? Bad grades? There are lots of things that impair reason. If an individual willingly chooses to try marijuana, for example, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
Liberation. Liberty. It means freedom, and it is always a good thing for people to be free. Free to make their own mistakes. Until they take or threaten to take someone else's freedom. Then we put them in jail and feel good about it.
How can we feel good about putting someone in jail for smoking marijuana though? They're just minding their own business, trying to have fun. Not hurting anyone (cept maybe themself, but that's their own business).
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Brazil? Is that a free country (democracy)? If so, then you shouldn't seek to legislate morality and force it on people. In a free country a person's freedom should only be taken if they first take the freedom of someone else (i.e. kill them, hurt them, take their property).
Is alcohol illegal there? Caffiene? Bad grades? There are lots of things that impair reason. If an individual willingly chooses to try marijuana, for example, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
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Liberation. Liberty. It means freedom, and it is always a good thing for people to be free. Free to make their own mistakes. Until they take or threaten to take someone else's freedom. Then we put them in jail and feel good about it.
How can we feel good about putting someone in jail for smoking marijuana though? They're just minding their own business, trying to have fun. Not hurting anyone (cept maybe themself, but that's their own business).
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The thing is that society protect their own people's freedom. It is quite ironic that an individual's freedom is dependent on other people but that's just the way it is. A member (or government) of a free society is obliged to protect the freedom of others. A good case can be made that some drugs like heroin are a threat to an individual's freedom and so society should try to protect individuals from it.
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That may be a good case, except the war of course does not work. Legalization and regulation might work better actually. If the government (or licensed businesses) controlled the supply and eventually the black market was eliminated, then the situation would be more controllable. People who really wanted heroin would be allowed to get a prescription for it. They'd only be able to purchase a limited amount per unit of time (a reasonable amount). They'd need their own supply for themselves so it would be unlikely that they'd get anyone else hooked. Very few people who weren't already addicted would go through the hoops necessary to get a prescription (one such hoop would be a thorough talk with a doctor about why you want a heroin prescription if you're not already addicted)?
Anyway, I don't think it's right to protect people from themselves. You can teach them like you teach children, but you shouldn't restrain free adults the way you can restrain children. An intelligent system of regulations such as I proposed would probably do far more good than an outright ban as we have now.
Anyway, I don't think it's right to protect people from themselves. You can teach them like you teach children, but you shouldn't restrain free adults the way you can restrain children. An intelligent system of regulations such as I proposed would probably do far more good than an outright ban as we have now.
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Rize said:
Bans only work on people who care about the law in the first place.
I'm scrounging for some research material I've got on folks that sustain heroin addictions on the level of nicotene addiction: normal, capable, productive functioning recreational heroin users, much unlike the "Hollywood junkie" that seems to be everyone's mental picture. Suprised me a lot when I read it.
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Yeah, I'm not at all convinced that heroin can't be taken as part of a relatively healthy lifestyle. Although I wouldn't recommend it... personally I'm not interested in any drug that can become so physically addictive so quickly.
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