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God Made Me A Skeptic
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Originally posted by stillsmallvoice
Hi all!
Let's see, seebs asked about what other branches of Judaism have to say on homosexuality. Well, since I am an orthodox Jew, I can't & won't try to speak for other Jews. Traditional, normative Judaism is orthodox. (Regarding other so-called "branches" of Judaism, such as "Conservative", "Reform", "Reconstructionist", etc., I'll say that while most of their members may be Jews, what they practice is surely not Judaism.) Yes, the ancient Canaanites practiced both heterosexual & homosexual "sacred" temple prostitution, but the ban on homosexual acts in Leviticus 18:22 is both sweeping & definitive. And if the ban on homosexual acts is related to Canaanite practices, what of it? Leviticus 18:3 warns against against Egyptian & Canaanite practices. Leviticus 17:24-30 warns us that the Land of Israel "vomited out" the Canaanites for their abominable practices & that we must avoid those practices if we want to avoid a similar fate.
Yes. The tricky part, of course, is trying to understand whether God meant gays or temple prostitutes, just as we might wonder whether He meant *all* fabric combinations, or only specific combinations of fabric... I understand and respect the decision to say "since we can't be sure, we will read this broadly"; it's the same principle that goes from "do not steep a kid in its mother's milk" to separate pots for dairy and meat. And it's a *reasonable* principle - but it's not the way Christianity generally approaches moral questions.
You posted:
"As long as people are telling them that what they *ARE* is sinful..."
But Judaism believes that no one is sinful because of what they are, only because of what they may DO. The wording of Leviticus 17:22 is very precise & refers to homosexual ACTS.
Indeed. And, furthermore, arguably, only to some of them - for instance, it says nothing at all about lesbians. To make it say such a thing is to reinterpret it in the face of new data, and if we're doing that, it's open season on all sorts of things.
Still, I have friends who believe that homosexual acts are sinful, and who are otherwise fully supportive of non-discriminatory treatment of gays.
In the end, if we're to use Leviticus to show that homosexuality is sinful, we have to accept the whole of the Law; we can't just pick and choose. I have a lot more respect for Jews who choose to continue holding to the whole of the law than I do for televangelists who preach about "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]s" as a way to draw attention away from their scandals.
I still remember the first time I was exposed to that point of view, by someone who commented that, well, of *COURSE* it was a sin, just like mixing fabrics, eating cheeseburgers, or not honoring the Sabbath.
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